A very personal attack

For those that don’t see the other blog I sent the following email out to the Administrators (5Points and Graham).   The intent of the email was to get the handicaps done correctly and more importantly to get it done quietly so not to embarrass Graham for getting the handicaps all wrong.  It was intended as a private email which they call “despicable”.  They chose to publish it on their public blog and then attack me personally.    Of course that wasn’t despicable.   For some reason they edited out the names — I have chosen not to.  I have deleted one line because it was private speculation and not fact.   More on this very soon.

In the interest of fairness and trying to keep this friendly I feel I should warn you of what is coming.

The following members don’t have birdie accounts:  Brian, Darryl, Les, Marc, Paul, Young, Peter, BruceK

I have abandoned mine.    Steve has one but no scores have been added.

There are certainly good reasons why a few may want a birdie handicap but some of the members don’t need or want one.   They were completely happy with the way I was doing it and there were no issues about transferability or transparency.  As 90% of the members are playing 90% of their rounds in SMAF competitions at Santiburi it was never an issue about not recording games played outside of the group.   All group scores and handicaps are recorded on the blog.   There is nothing hidden and nothing can be manipulated.

I have gone back to the day when I passed everything over to Graham and have all handicaps up to date.   The major thing I noticed was that not one of the handicaps as calculated by Graham agreed with my numbers.   We both used the same scores off the blog.   How is that possible?   In the interest of accuracy I went back and double checked.   Mine are all correct.  Graham and I differ over 1 handicap by 3 strokes — hardly a small mistake.

When I first heard about your plan to change everyone over my immediate concern was you would never get 16 people to do it right.

Egbert who is a good soldier and follows orders now has 3 very different handicaps.   Birdie (25.4), Graham (24.8), Leo (23.4).

As of yesterday’s round I have 5Points (26.2) and Graham (19.1).   If you don’t have that, then you got yours wrong.

You’ve got 2 choices.   1)  Quietly go back to the way it was with me keeping the handicaps with only SMAF rounds.  Any member requiring a birdie handicap is welcome to keep it but it won’t be valid for SMAF.   I will assist anyone requiring information why their SMAF handicap is different from their birdie handicap but only if it is requested.  Every 2 weeks I will submit updated handicaps to you to post on the blog.   or  2) You can continue down the road your are travelling into a massive shitstorm.   I will email all members about the differences.  If they don’t want a birdie handicap then you don’t really have any choice but to let them use the one I will provide for them.   Won’t that be fun and friendly?

To make my motives absolutely clear.   How do you define a little bit wrong?    Is Egbert’s handicap that is out by 2 just a little bit wrong?   I don’t really want the job of overseeing the handicaps but unless someone is found that will ensure that it is exactly right I will continue to do it.   The members deserve exactly right.

Here is the Administrators’ response:

There is a lot to unpack here, and we’ll try to do it as succinctly as possible while making our points.

Leo objects to our transition to BIRDIE and is using coercive tactics to try to force us to reconsider moving away from the handicap system that he created and ran for SMAF in the past.

Coercive tactics are unethical, and Graham and 5Points are united in our opposition to their use.  We will not kowtow to Leo’s attempt to blackmail us into changing the transition plan.  Furthermore, we are resolved that Leo will never be allowed to occupy any leadership position in SMAF ever again.  He has demonstrated a stunning disregard for ethics and a persistent inability to put aside personal animosities for the good of the group — two qualities that are essential for leadership.  That said, he is welcome to participate with us.  Leo will not be banned.

But, apart from our stern disapproval of Leo’s despicable coercive tactics, let’s take a look at Leo’s argument against transitioning to BIRDIE.

Leo has advanced the following argument against transition away from his in-house system — SMAF members won’t/can’t update their scores or can’t be trusted to input them accurately, so their handicap will be wrong, and that will be unfair to other players.

We have several counter-arguments to this, to include that the BIRDIE system is peer-reviewable, meaning that everyone can see what scores a player has posted (and we also post the scores in our blog), so if someone’s handicap seems far outside what the golfer is known to play to, any one of us can go to the blog and compare his BIRDIE scores to the blog-posted scores, and know immediately if there is something amiss.  There are over 2,000 subscribers to BIRDIE in Thailand.  That is a major vote of confidence in the BIRDIE system.

But more importantly, most SMAF golfers (and most golfers in the Chiang Rai area, with the exception of a very few excellent golfers who play to single-digit handicaps) have golf abilities that result in widely varying scores.  Most of us have scored 27 Stableford points on one day and 43 Stableford points on the next round – a range of 16 points!  When the range of likely scores is that wide, it becomes ridiculous to worry about whether a particular golfer’s handicap is 25.4, 24.8, or 23.4.  In technical terms, the “signal to noise” ratio is too great to fine tune the handicap to that level of detail.  To use Leo’s phrase from his e-mail, there is no way to know on any given day the “exactly right” handicap for any golfer with the skill level of the average SMAF participant.

On the other hand, for example, if a golfer we know shoots to a low-20’s handicap and now claims a handicap of 30, it is worth looking at the scores and determining if there is a reason for the sudden rise.  The fact is, most of us who golf together regularly have a good handle on what each other’s handicap range is, and the handicaps just don’t change too much over time.  When 5Points arrived in Chiang Rai over 3 years ago, he claimed a USGA handicap of 26.  Over three years later, he’s playing to a 28.  In reality, it would be better to characterize him as a “high 20’s” handicap.  Likewise, Graham has been stuck in the high teens/low 20’s all that time.  Leo has gone from solidly mid-teens to low 20’s but he’s had some back pain issues, so it adds up.  We all know what everyone’s handicap is.

To call someone a “cheater” or a “sandbagger” over one, two or even more handicap strokes, or to condemn a handicap system over such trivial irregularities, is antithetical to our stated purpose as a golf group:  To play golf and have fun.  It gets in the way of us achieving our goals.  It is no way to address a perceived problem with the handicapping system.

A better way to deal with a perceived error in a player’s handicap, or if a player’s handicap has not been kept up to date, is to assign the player a provisional handicap that is in line with what we know the player usually plays to, until the error is corrected or the handicap is up to date.  That is the procedure we outlined in our original post announcing the transition, and that is what we will do.  We believe the need to use such procedures will be relatively minimal.  We will always encourage our SMAF participants to avoid errors and to keep their handicaps up to date.

SMAF is continuing our transition to the BIRDIE system.  We would like the support of everyone, but we recognize there are some who may not be completely satisfied with the new handicapping system.  We sincerely believe transitioning to an independent, portable, peer-reviewable system such as BIRDIE is far better than an in-house system that allows no insight into how the handicap is calculated.  We ask for everyone’s help in making the transition smooth — even Leo’s help.  We are willing to assist in any way we can to help SMAF participants create BIRDIE accounts and enter their own scores, including walking them through the process.  We expect all participants to commit to keeping their handicap up to date and accurate, and we will encourage all participants to do so – even Leo.  However, we will not swayed by unethical practices such as coercion and blackmail.

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Results — March 10 – June 18, 2018

Due to recent events I have decided to re-activate this blog.   I will have a lot more later.   For the moment I want to have all SMAF scores that have been recorded in one place so here is what was missed.

Results – Monday, June 18, 2018  blue tees

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
35 80 Bruce G 7 1.00 -180
34 79 Woody 5 4.00 -30
36 93 Leo 21 5.00 20
31 98 Graham 21 6.00 70
39 97 5Points 28 7.00 120

 

 

Results – Saturday, June 16, 2018  blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
34 95 Graham 21 1.00 -190
37 76 Woody 5 1.00 -190
39 91 Leo 22 2.00 -130
38 83 John P 13 3.00 -70
38 77 Bruce G 7 5.50 80
45 91 5Points 28 12.50 500

 

 

Results – Thursday, June 14, 2018

From the white tees (Judy played from the red tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 95 -R Judy 17 0.00 -250
34 104 -W John O 30 0.50 -205
35 93 -W Graham 20 1.50 -115
35 93 -W Leo 20 2.00 -70
37 97 -W 5Points 26 2.00 -70
37 100 -W Rodney 29 3.50 65
24 100 -W Ross 16 4.00 110
41 72 -W Woody 5 5.00 200
43 72 -W Bruce G 7 6.50 335

 

Results – Monday, June 11, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 84 Woody 5 0.00 -200
27 109 5Points 28 1.00 -150
35 94 Graham 21 3.00 -50
39 76 Bruce G 7 7.00 150
43 78 John P 13 9.00 250

 

Results – Saturday, June 9, 2018

  • We played our normal skins game from the blue tees
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
10 130 Bruce H 32 0.00 -250
35 80 Bruce G 7 1.00 -190
32 104 5Points 28 2.50 -100
33 96 Graham 21 4.00 -10
37 84 John P 13 7.00 170
42 89 Leo 23 10.50 380

 

Results – Thursday, June 7, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 99 Leo 23 1.00 -200
32 104 5Points 28 2.00 -150
38 77 Bruce G 7 3.00 -100
41 80 John P 13 4.50 -25
41 88 Graham 21 14.50 475

Results – Monday, June 4, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
25 104 Graham 21 0.00 -230
27 109 5Points 28 6.00 10
37 78 Bruce G 7 8.00 90
33 96 Leo 21 9.00 130

Results – Saturday, June 2, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
33 88 John P. 13 0.00 -250
35 93 Graham 20 4.50 -25
31 98 Leo 21 5.00 0
35 101 5Points 28 5.50 25
40 75 Bruce G 7 10.00 250

Results – Thursday, May 31, 2018

Graham 103, 5Points (net) 104+.

RESULTS

Results – Monday, May 28, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 1.00 -200
36 79 Bruce G 7 4.00 -80
37 84 John P. 13 8.50 100
37 99 5Points 28 10.50 180

Results – Saturday, May 26, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 98 Graham 20 3.00 -130
33 96 Leo 21 5.00 -50
35 80 Bruce G 7 8.00 70
36 100 5Points 28 9.00 110

Results – Thursday, May 24, 2018

  • 5Points:  Stableford Score 37/Handicap 27/Gross Score 98
  • Bruce G:  Stableford Score 35/Handicap 6/Gross Score 79

Results – Monday, May 21, 2018

 

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
34 87 John P 13 2.00 -150
28 86 Bruce G 6 2.00 -150
32 103 5Points 27 5.00 0
31 96 Leo 19 6.00 50
40 89 Graham 21 10.00 250

Results – Saturday, May 19, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 106 5Points 27 3.00 -90
26 101 Leo 19 3.00 -90
38 76 Bruce G 6 5.00 10
37 84 John P 13 6.00 60
43 87 Graham 22 7.00 110

 

Thursday 17/05/18 Report

The scores on the next 4 reports in red have been calculated by Leo and based on the most recent (May 8) handicap report.

Leo                       28pts  ( leo didn’t play skins)  (19/99)

Bruce                   24 pts         1 skin                             -210bht  (6/90)

Jim                       30pts           6 skins                            +10 bht  (35/112)

John Park           34pts            71/2 skins                      +50bht  (15/89)

Graham               34pts           10 1/2 skins                   +170bht  (21/95)

 

Monday 14/05/18 Results

Results  (exact same scores as 12/05 —  I call BS! )

Graham           34pts              -130bht  (21/95)  

Leo                   34pts              -230bht   (19/93)  Leo recorded 89 at his home hcp.

Merv                34pts              +370bht   (25/99)

Bruce G            35pts              -30bht   (6/79)

Jim S                 39pts              +20bht   (35/103)

Both Graham and BruceG recorded the same scores on 12/05 and 14/05.   They probably didn’t catch the mistake.   For handicap purposes I have discarded all the scores except mine as the others have most likely copied the incorrect scores from the blog.

 

Saturday 12/05/18 Report

Scores   Leo     –       34pts   –  Once again Donation Day with nothing but a dent in the wallet      -250bht  (19/93)

Graham     34pts  – 2 skins            -130bht  (21/95)

Merv          34pts   –  12 skins        +370bht   (25/99)

Bruce G      35pts  –   4 skins          -30bht  (6/79)

FHH Jim    39pts   –    5 skins         +20bht   (35/103)

 

Thursday 10/05/18 Report

Scores

Leo                  29 pts         0 skins  (19/98)

John Park       32pts         2 skins     (15/91)

Jim S                33pts         3 skins    (35/110)

Bruce G          35pts          3 skins   (6/79)

Graham           38pts         15 skins   (21/91)

Catch -up Reports & Hcp Update

Thursday 03/05/18

After coffee and checking all weather apps , all voted that Bruce’s was the best  and with that Graham went home Bruce and Marc decided  to give it a go

apparently they made it around dry

Saturday 05/05/18

Wet and forecast was for more to come

MEOW

Monday 07/05/18

Tommy and John P elected not to play skins

Results

Nearest pins  Bruce G to advantage of Woodys absense and took them all

Bruce G          72              42pts                   +200bht   (6/72)

Marc M            95             35pts                   +400bht  (22/95)

Graham           99             29pts                    -150bht  (20/99)

Steve                                     DNF                   -250bht

Jim                   107            28pts                    -200bht   (35/115)

Results – Monday, April 30, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
28 105 5Points 25 0.00 -250
31 99 Marc 22 1.00 -180
31 83 Bruce G 6 1.00 -180
36 85 John P 13 4.50 65
26 86 Woody 4 5.00 100
40 88 Graham 20 6.00 170
27 116 Jim 35 7.50 275

Results – Saturday, April 28, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 104 5Points 25 2.00 -130
33 81 Bruce G 6 7.00 120
34 87 John P 13 6.00 70
31 97 Graham 20 3.00 -80
32 98 Marc 22 5.00 20

Results – Thursday, April 26, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve and Jim played from the white tees).  John P. did not participate in the skins, but shot an excellent 40 Stableford points.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
24 109 5Points 25 2.00 -130
31 97 Graham 20 2.50 -100
28 112 Jim – W 32 3.00 -70
29 111 Steve – W 32 3.00 -70
34 94 John F. 20 4.00 -10
34 80 Bruce G 6 10.50 380

Results – Monday, April 23, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
27 106 5Points 25 0.00 -230
32 96 Graham 20 3.00 -80
41 81 Air 14 4.00 -30
37 93 Marc 22 5.00 20
42 72 Bruce G 6 11.00 320

Results – Saturday, April 21, 2018

  • We had seven participants:  five members and two friends, Woody and Aer.  Woody and Aer played from the gold tees, and Darryl played from the white tees.
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 104 5Points 25 1.00 -180
30 91 Darryl – W 13 1.00 -180
34 80 Bruce G 6 1.50 -145
32 90 Air 14 2.00 -110
33 79 Woody 4 3.00 -40
37 91 Graham 20 7.00 240
37 93 Marc 22 9.50 415

Results – Thursday, April 19, 2018

John P., Jockey John, and John F. decided not to play in the skins game, but they played well, shooting 37, 36, and 37 Stableford points respectively.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
27 99 Richard 18 0.00 -240
30 92 Air 14 3.00 -60
26 105 Peter M. 23 4.00 0
35 93 Graham 20 4.50 30
34 100 5Points 26 5.00 60
32 80 Woody 4 7.50 210

Results – Monday, April 16, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees, and John F. did not participate in the skins.  However he shot a respectable 30 points (gross 98) from the blue tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 1.00 -190
27 94 Darryl – W 13 2.00 -130
27 87 Bruce G 6 3.00 -70
34 92 Richard 18 3.00 -70
35 77 Woody 4 7.00 170
39 95 5Points 26 9.00 290

Results – Saturday, April 14, 2018

John P. joined us but elected to not participate in the skins.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 104 5Points 26 0.00 -250
34 88 John P – DNP 14 XXX XXX
34 78 Woody 4 1.00 -190
32 94 Richard 18 2.00 -130
32 96 Graham 20 4.00 -10
36 78 Bruce G 6 8.50 260
35 95 Marc 22 9.50 320

Results – Thursday, April 12, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 97 Richard 18 1.50 -130
31 99 Marc 22 1.50 -130
33 89 John P 14 2.50 -50
37 77 Bruce G 6 3.00 -10
17 117 5Points 26 4.00 70
40 81 Darryl – W 13 4.00 70
40 88 Graham 20 4.00 70
37 75 Woody 4 4.50 110

Results – Monday, April 9, 2018

We decided to play stroke play from the blue tees for 100 baht each, with closest to the pins on the four par-3 holes for 40 baht each.

Player Hcap Gross Net Gross (ESC)
5Points +B260 26 92 66 92
Woody +B240 4 74 70 74
John P.  (-B40) 14 85 71 85
Marc  (-B140) 22 94 72 94
Richard (-B140) 18 91 73 90
Bruce G  (-B60) 6 79 73 79
Andrew  (-B140) 17 92 75 90
Graham  +B20 20 105 85 102

Results – Saturday, April 7, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees (Bruce K played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
DNF #### Graham 20 0.00 -250
23 111 5Points 26 0.50 -205
30 96 Richard 18 0.50 -205
22 101 Colin 15 1.00 -160
32 82 Bruce G 6 4.00 110
35 90 Andrew 17 4.00 110
26 110 Bruce K – W 28 5.00 200
35 77 Woody 4 5.00 200
37 93 Marc 22 5.00 200

 

Results – Thursday, April 5, 2018

Darryl played from the white tees — everyone else played from the blue tees.

Team Members Hcap Stb. Scores 1st Six 2nd Six 3rd Six Total
Andrew Andrew

+B160

17 34  91 16 26 41 83
Darryl – W

+B250

13 41 80
Woody

+B250

4 33  79
5Points 5Points

(-B140)

26 28 106 18 30 33 81
Colin

(-B140)

15 42 81
Bruce G

+B40

6 34  80
Graham Graham

(-B140)

20 38  90 16 30 34 80
Marc

(-B140)

23 40  91
Richard

(-B140)

18 31  95

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 89 Darryl – W 13 0.50 -205
36 78 Bruce G 6 1.00 -160
34 92 Richard 18 2.00 -70
35 93 Graham 20 2.00 -70
35 97 Brian 24 3.00 20
26 86 Woody 4 3.50 65
35 90 Andrew 17 3.50 65
37 97 5Points 26 4.50 155
39 84 Colin 15 5.00 200

Results – Saturday, March 31, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 0.00 -250
32 89 John P. 13 4.50 20
35 97 Brian 24 2.00 -130
35 79 Bruce G 6 2.00 -130
37 86 Colin 15 10.00 350

 

Results –Mon Mar 26th  2018 Community Cup

Here are the complete results:

Player Stableford Score Handicap Gross Score Place
John “5Points” C. 31 26 103
Bruce G. 36 6 78
Neil H. – White 36 18 90
“Woody” W. 26 4 86
Clay S. – White 37 18 89 4th Place
Ross F. – White 36 15 87
Philippe D. 27 28 109
John P. 32 13 89
Brian J. 35 24 97
Charchy S. 33 12 87
Keith H. – White 31 32 109
Mike D. 34 20 94
Graham T. 40 20 88 3rd Place
Colin T. 27 15 96
Mark W. 26 20 102
Scott B. 29 21 100
Rob M. – White 34 18 92
Darryl J. – White 28 13 93
Steve M. – White 24 31 115
Air M. 32 14 90
Will F. 27 13 94
Marc M. 40 23 91 2nd Place
David S. 9 16 115
Peter S. – White 42 16 82 1st Place
     
Peter M. – White 23 20 105

 

Results – March 24, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees. – Waterford

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
28 106 5Points 26 8.00 70
38 93 Marc 23 7.00 30
34 98 Brian 24 5.00 -50
33 81 Bruce G 6 5.00 -50

Results – Thursday, March 22, 2018

Santiburi Members and Friends relocated temporarily to Waterford Valley today.

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Neil, Ross, and Clay played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
33 93 Clay – W 18 2.00 -130
35 88 Ross – W 15 3.00 -70
29 98 Neil – W 19 3.50 -40
36 85 John P 13 3.50 -40
37 77 Bruce G 6 5.50 80
36 98 5Points 26 7.50 200

Results – Monday, March 19, 2018

Jockey John elected not to join us in the skins game.  We played our normal game from the blue tees (Steve played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 95 Graham 19 1.50 -115
34 87 John P. 13 1.50 -115
32 108 Steve M – W 32 2.00 -70
30 92 Colin 14 2.50 -25
33 79 Woody 4 3.00 20
35 99 5Points 26 3.00 20
38 76 Bruce G 6 3.00 20
29 103 Brian 24 4.00 110
40 84 Aer 16 4.50 155

Saturday, March 17, 2018

We played at Happy City today.

We had eight participants – six members and two friends (Jockey John, whose birthday is today – Happy Birthday, John! – and Aer).  Jockey John did not participate in the skins. We played our normal skins game, off the white tees with our blue tee handicaps.  However, Steve M said he would play with his white tee handicap, as he normally does at Santiburi.  OK, your funeral Steve.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
36 87 Peter 15 0.50 -215
38 89 Graham 19 0.50 -215
37 77 Bruce G 6 1.00 -180
27 107 5Points 26 2.00 -110
42 98 Steve M – W 32 4.00 30
37 87 Aer 16 5.00 100
46 85 Marc 23 12.00 590

Results – Thursday, March 15, 2018

Doc and Jockey John (31 stableford points) elected not to join in the skins).  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve M played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 97 Graham 19 0.00 -250
34 98 Brian 24 0.50 -205
35 86 John P 13 1.00 -160
37 103 Steve M – W 32 1.50 -115
32 102 5Points 26 3.00 20
32 99 Marc 23 3.50 65
39 75 Bruce G 6 3.50 65
41 82 Peter 15 5.00 200
44 80 Aer 16 7.00 380

 

Results – Monday, March 12, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve M and Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
36 98 5Points 26 6.00 410
24 103 Graham 19 0.00 -250
36 78 Bruce G 6 1.33 -103
41 83 Peter H. 16 4.67 263
30 94 Andrew 16 0.33 -213
38 84 Darryl – W 14 1.00 -140
30 91 John P 13 2.50 25
24 96 Steve T. 12 0.00 -250
32 99 Marc 23 2.00 -30
42 81 Peter 15 5.50 355
36 104 Steve M – W 32 1.67 -67

Results – March 10, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve and Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
39 95 5Points 26 2.33 7
28 99 Graham 19 0.00 -250
34 80 Bruce G 6 2.00 -30
36 96 Brian 24 0.67 -177
39 85 Andrew 16 2.00 -30
37 87 Darryl – W 16 1.67 -67
37 84 John P 13 0.33 -213
40 95 Egbert 27 8.00 630
43 88 Marc 23 4.67 263
37 86 Peter 15 3.33 117
31 109 Steve – W 32 0.00 -250

 

4) Too Many Questions — One Possible Answer

The side bet —  You and I are going out for a game of golf.   The one with the lower stableford score will pay the one with the higher score 100 baht.   The fine print clause “If either one of us has a really poor round (fails to score 30 points) then the bet is cancelled.”

Some SMAF members have been making that side bet for a long period of time.  Suddenly the really poor round clause has been quietly dropped.   If both members are trying to win what is the problem — why drop the clause?   Was Andrew “dropping anchor” last week not the first time this happened?

If I hadn’t been playing with Andrew or if Andrew hadn’t been so foolish to boast that he was going to drop anchor then I would not have noticed and reported it.   It is my opinion that the clause was dropped because I made an issue of it.

Why were those that had been participating in the side bet strongly defending Andrew’s behaviour as acceptable?  Why has the group defended his misconduct with “we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had – and an informal poll of other SMAF members closely corresponds with our views on the matter.”?   If you have a bad golf day are you untitled to unsportsmanlike conduct?

I admit I did hijack this blog.   I was shouted down at the lunch table and it was the one resource I had to make my points.   I had fully intended to give the blog back to SMAF once my points had been addressed.   I offered to post anything they wanted completely unedited and once they were given back the blog they would be free to do whatever they wanted with it including delete my post(s).   When they came up with the “one bad golf day” excuse I took a stronger stance which was get Andrew to apologise or you don’t get the blog back.   They considered that coercion (which it was) and they started a new blog.   They told me I could do whatever I wanted with this one.

Why not force the member who certainly was guilty of misconduct (that’s a polite way of saying broke the rules) to apologise?   Mea Culpa.   It would have ended all of this.

The only possible answer for all the questions is perhaps one or two other members had been dropping anchor — would that not be a reason for the way they handled this?   Those that dropped anchor or knew of other incidents and didn’t report it wouldn’t have been in a position to criticize Andrew would they?  I now suspect that dropping anchor had been going on for a while.

Although I have no proof that this wasn’t a solitary incident it would certainly explain why other members went through extremely bad patches and their handicaps went up.  They weren’t deliberately manipulating their handicaps but their handicaps could have gone up due to anchor dropping.   I have always defended SMAF handicaps and the skins game as being fair.   I can no longer say with 100% certainty that they were indeed fair.  MY PROBLEM is that I now believe the integrity of the group has been compromised.

SMAF’s probable response to the above is here.

MY PROBLEM is that after doing the majority of the work for 3 years to promote and build SMAF I was shouted down in a most disrespectful way.  This is not how we sorted things out in the past.

MY PROBLEM is that even if dropping anchor were acceptable that members would resort to such measures to get out of paying a 100 baht bet.   I don’t accept poor sportsmanship.  A bet is a bet.

I resigned but have been told that I am welcome back if I chose to do so.  Their new blog (https://smaf310022724.wordpress.com/)  says “come join us for a fun, friendly round of golf”.   When I announced that I was permanently leaving one member shouted out “GOOD”.    MY PROBLEM is that I don’t call that “friendly” or “welcoming”.

My PROBLEM is that I have too many problems with the way that SMAF has evolved over the past 6 months.   I have no desire to go back any time soon.

It is very likely that I won’t have anything further to say on this subject and it is likely there will never be another post on this blog.   Comments are open so feel free to say whatever is on your mind.   Nothing will be deleted unless it contains foul language.

 

3) Guest Post

The following was placed in the comments today.   It is well written and I feel it deserves to be a separate post.   Thank you Martin for your thoughts.

Hi All
Been reading about this matter and it is very disappointing to see the event occur. Being part of this group on and off, and then coming back to re-join when we return to Chiang Rai each year, I would like to think that we will be able to see all of our friends there and play in the great skins competition.
Being a current member of a golf club in Australia and playing strict competitions that include side bets etc I would like to make a comment about the ethics of the game. There are a couple players at my club who are known for trying to manipulate their handicap. Recently there was an instance of them doing just that in a round of golf, one of their playing partners reported them (which took courage) and the club had to act. That process did not reflect poorly on the person who reported them, it reflected poorly on the individual who believes that they have a right to behave in that manner and try to make a mockery of the ethics of the game – as well as the ethics of their playing partners.
In this instance, the same should be said. The issue lies with the individual who decided to behave in such a manner. The behavior disrespects the group as a whole and individually disrespects those who were involved in the side bet – irrespective of if it is within the rules of the side bet or not. At no stage should a person believe that it is ok to not play out the round with the intent to play appropriately and with some sort of effort. Picking up on a par 5 having hit just two shots is absurd and should be treated as absurd.
I see that the group has a Code of Conduct in place, that Code should be applied in this instance so that the integrity of the group is maintained. The group is bigger than that one individual member. If that member cannot come back to the group and indicate that they acknowledge what they did was disrespectful then they should not return to the group. No one else should have to feel that they need to leave the group as a result – that is certainly disappointing to me and I hope that the resolution lies in the group coming together to make that not the case.
I would agree that the group can, and probably should forgive, however the matter should not be forgotten and a repeat of it would truly spell the end for that person as there should be no tolerance for it moving forward.

2) Read the Rules

For those that aren’t aware the person known as “Anchor Dropper” in the previously postings is Andrew.   His actions are accurately described in Leo’s Resignation.

Anyone who has played golf long enough should know that golf has rules forbidding just about everything.   There has to be rules with regards to score manipulation.   On a quick look I found the USGA handicap manual says—

Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap Systemnamely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round, regardless of where the round is played, and that the player will post every acceptable round for peer review. The player and the player’s Handicap Committee have joint responsibility for adhering to these premises.

 

4-1. Unfinished Holes and Conceded Strokes

A player who starts, but does not complete a hole or is conceded a stroke must record for handicap purposes the most likely score.

There is no limit to the number of unfinished holes a player may have in a round, provided that failure to finish is not for the purpose of handicap manipulation.

 

Andrew made it clear after the 10th hole that he was not going to get 30 or more points.   He clearly wasn’t trying to score points and he picked up twice before completing the hole where his “most likely score” was at least 1 and could be argued as 2.    He handed in his score with a 0 on both holes to end up with his target of 29.  This is clearly an infraction of the rules.

The Ad-hoc administration claim they are doing “damage control”.   Saying all kinds of nice things about me one moment and then kicking me in the balls the next.   They offer excuses for Andrew —  “the person who “dropped anchor” by avoiding getting 30 or over was well within his rights to do so.  It wasn’t Leo’s place to call foul when the player took an option that the rules of the side bet allowed. ”  After reading the rules above you can see that it is not true.

Another excuse — “we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had.”    I was there.   He was not having a bad day.   He was having a not quite good enough to win day.   After the round it looked like a bad day due to his score manipulation.  Is the Ad-hoc administration suggesting that it is OK to cheat if you are having a bad day?

Their other form of damage control is to make me the villain.  They claim I am doing this just to take a shot at Andrew.   It is no secret that he and I have issues.   However, what he said after the 10th hole offended me.   It was extremely poor sportsmanship over a piddly sum of 100 baht.  I felt if I didn’t report the incident it could happen again.  I have insisted that if ANYONE else had done this I would have reported it just the same.  After the round I brought this up at the lunch table and was shouted down.   It wasn’t a very productive discussion so I used other resources that were available to me.

The best form of damage control is honesty, not excuses.   Admit there was an error of judgement and apologize.   Once Andrew has apologized to his playing partners and the other members I would have no choice but to shut up.

For reporting cheating at CRAPS I was penalized so severely that no one dared report cheating again.   I sincerely hope this is not the road that SMAF is taking.

In closing I would like to thank all those who have quietly supported me.  It is appreciated.

(Comments for this posting have been disable.   If you have something to say that will move this forward in a positive way email me and I will post it.)

SPECIAL STATEMENT FROM SANTIBURI MEMBERS AND FRIENDS (SMAF) AD-HOC ADMINISTRATION (aka 5Points and Graham)–Results March 8, 2018

For quite a few months now, SMAF has been administered in an ad-hoc way by Leo, Graham, and 5Points.  Leo is a founding member of SMAF, and has had more impact than anyone in making SMAF what it is today, including doing the vast bulk of the administration duties himself for months, establishing and maintaining the handicap system, designing the skins scoring spreadsheet, and creating this blog, as well as doing an incredible job of supporting golf in Chiang Rai in general (Canada Cup, The Tony Memorial, the Bernie Memorial, Chiang Mai – Chiang Rai competitions, etc. – the list goes on and on).  Last Monday, Leo announced his resignation from SMAF.  However, Leo has temporarily retained control of the SMAF Blog you are reading now.  He stated he intends to turn control of the blog over to Graham and 5Points next week, but not until he has a chance to draft and post one last blog post.  Leo has indicated his final post will explain in more detail the side-bet incident involving 5Points and one other SMAF participant, and describe how the actions of the SMAF participant reflects poorly on the SMAF participant and on anyone who condones the SMAF participant’s actions.  For the record, 5Points and Graham disagree with Leo on this point – we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had – and an informal poll of other SMAF members closely corresponds with our views on the matter.  5Points and Graham consider Leo’s plan to use this SMAF blog (and the voice of Santiburi Members and Friends) to broadcast publicly his personal opinions to be grossly inappropriate.  5Points and Graham wish all readers of this blog to be aware that Leo’s blog post, when it is published, constitutes his opinion, and does not reflect the position of Santiburi Members and Friends – neither the remaining members of the ad-hoc administration nor the rest of the SMAF participants.  Apart from that, we wish Leo well and welcome him back to play with us any time.

We had 10 participants with us today:  8 members and two friends (Ae and Jockey John).  Darryl had to leave early, so he did not participate in the skins, and Jockey John elected to not participate as well —  however, Jockey John did shoot an excellent 40 points from the blue tees using his SMAF handicap, which would have been a winning score.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve played from the white tees).  The course remains in great shape in the run-up to the pro tournament.  They have spread some sand on some of the fairways and aprons, and they were doing some aeration in the always persnickety 10th fairway under the trees.  The 11th and 12th greens have also received some sanding.

Perhaps because of the new handicaps which recently came out, the scoring was not as intense today.  Brian and Peter tied for the top Stableford prize, with 38 points each.  Brian got the closest prize on the third hole, and Bruce G took the prize on hole 7.  Ae knocked it stiff to 8 feet on Hole 12 to win, and edged Bruce G on Hole 17….  No, wait, Ae three-putted 17 from 42 feet, and his “Walk of Shame” left the prize to Bruce G (45 feet).

Here are the results:

Stableford

  • Winner/Runner-Up (Tie):  Brian (38 Points) and Peter (38 Points)

Closest to the Pins:

  • Hole 3:  Brian
  • Hole 7:  Bruce G
  • Hole 12:  Ae
  • Hole 17:  Bruce G (Ae did the Walk of Shame)

stb

score

Players

hcap

Skins

Money

28

106

5Points

26

1.50

-130

31

96

Graham

19

0.50

-210

34

80

Bruce G

6

4.00

70

38

94

Brian

24

7.00

310

33

91

Andrew

16

4.00

70

35

89

Ae

16

1.00

-170

38

85

Peter

15

3.50

30

34

106

Steve – W

32

3.50

30

Next Events:

Santiburi Members and Friends:

·         Saturday, March 10, 2018, 8:32 AM (please be at the course by 8:15 AM)

·         SMAF plays every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday at 8:30 AM.  Please be at  the course by 8:15 AM!

·         Save the Date:  Monday, March 26, 2018 — SMAF-Sponsored COMMUNITY CUP Tournament — The day after the Singha Masters Pro event concludes.  More details to come!

Chiang Rai Golfers:

·         Tuesday, March 13, Waterford, 8.30am

·         Thursday, March 15, Happy City, 8.30am (All-up price is 1400 baht, including compulsory single cart).

1) Leo’s Resignation

I will start with what I witnessed.   A few members had a side bet of 100 baht on their game.   If anyone plays poorly and fails to get 30 points the bet is cancelled.   One member after wiping the 10th hole declared that he didn’t care anymore.   He wasn’t going to get 30 points so he wouldn’t have to pay 5Points.   On the 13th hole he hit a poor tee shot, followed by another poor shot into the bunker on the right at the dogleg.   That put him about 275 yards away from the green on a par 5 – he picked up his ball and walked off the hole after only 2 shots.   Walking to the 17th hole he announced that he couldn’t get more than 2 more points for the rest of the day.   If he didn’t get closest to the pin he would wipe the hole.   He hit the ball a bit long and to the left.   Hit a poor chip, followed by another chip onto the green, then instructed the caddie to pick up the ball while he was on the green about 15 feet from the pin in 3.   He didn’t get 29 points because he played poorly, he got 29 points because that is what he manipulated his score to be.

What was wrong with that?   He wasn’t playing within the spirit of the game and it was extremely poor sportsmanship.  I was told to shut up and not say anything because I wasn’t part of the side bet and it was no concern of mine.   Did I not have a responsibility to inform the others of what I witnessed?  If he gets away with it once do you not think he would do it again (and again)?   Changing what should be 32s, 33s and 34s into 29s will affect his handicap.  If allowed to continue then it is the concern of all members as they are playing with someone who has manipulated his handicap higher.

What kind of a LOSER goes to such effort to get out of paying someone 100 baht?

He is the only one to refer to our home golf course as a “goat track”.   He contributes very little.  How many times has he played at a different time on our golf days because he prefers to play with others and not with our group?   For 6 months he refused to play with another member (me) – the only one to do such a thing.   I thought all personal differences weren’t to be brought to the golf course.   He constantly criticises the organisers particularly the Fairness Specialist who is doing a great job.  None of this ever happened before he joined us last August.

Our blog says that all are welcome to play friendly, competitive golf.   I haven’t found it to be friendly this past 6 months.    I WAS always polite to him and would give him a cheerful “hello” whenever I saw him.   All I ever got from him was an ogre’s grunt.   Why should I have to shut up and accept his rudeness and disregard for fair play?   I have to tolerate his and his friend’s rudeness away from the golf course.   I come to play golf to get away from their bullshit – not to get more of it.

Recently I have been told (more than once) by the Organiser Of The Day that he has had enough of this.   Does he think I haven’t?   I have no desire to continue playing with SMAF.   I am willing to play with any friendly golfers on any day of the week preferably at 9:30 or later (at Santiburi).  Please feel free to contact me at any time if you are looking for a game.

Updated Handicaps — Mar 6th

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White tee comps
Members:
Andrew 14.9 16 down 2 15
Brian J 22.1 24 22
Bruce G 5.9 6 down 3 6
Darryl 16.1 17 16
Egbert 24.8 27 down 1 25
Graham T 18 19 down 2 18
5Points 23.9 26 down 1 24
Les 28.8 31 29
Marc 20.9 23 21
Peter R 13.8 15 14
Steve 34.6 37 capped 36 35
Young P 28.4 up 1 29 red
Paul P 17.6 19 18
John P 12.5 13 13
Bruce K 30.4 31
Friends
Colin 14 15 14
Will 12.3 13 12
Ralph P 40.4 44 41
John R. 20.4 22 21
Jessie 12.5 13 13
Ae plays 16
Gday All
 Handicaps have been calculated ( please note the last revision was on 20 / 02 ) which was 14 days ago and will continue to be done every 2 weeks
8-3. Handicap Revisions
The Handicap Committee at the golf club is responsible for following the revision schedule and procedures of the Authorized Golf Association.
 a. Revision Schedule, Frequency of Revisions, and Inactive Season
A domestic golf club must follow the National Revision Schedule. Under the National Revision Schedule, each Handicap Index must be revised on the 1st and the 15th of each month.
For an international golf club, each Handicap Index must be revised no less often than once a month and no more often than once every two weeks during the active season in accordance with the revision schedule as established by the Authorized Golf Association that has jurisdiction in its area.
Ae has only 3 cards in so after discussions  his HCP will  be 16

Results – Monday, March 5, 2018

Another sunny, very warm day with the course in excellent condition.  The rough is getting long, and the fairways and greens are near perfect.

We had 11 players today:  nine members, and two friends (“Jockey” John, a former member and long-time SMAF participant, and Ae, who came with Steve).  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.  Jockey John decided not to participate in the skins game.  However, he shot 40 points, so he may join in with us on Thursday.  Leo and Steve played from the white tees.

Leo mentioned recently that historically, scores and handicaps start to come down this time of year, as the course begins to come up to perfection in the lead up to the Singha professional tournament.  Today’s scores certainly reflect that reality.  There were four Stableford scores in the 40’s (five if you count Jockey John’s 40), and four other scores greater than 35.  You had to be shooting fours if you wanted to be in the money.

Ae took the top Stableford spot with 45 points.  Steve came in second with 44 (he also won the most skins, with 6.83, garnering 433 baht).  Egbert came in third with 43 (he tied for second with 5Points in skins, with 4.00 skins and 150 baht).

Bruce got closest on Holes 2 and 7.  Leo took Hole 12, and Brian got hole 17.

Plans are starting to come together for the Community Cup, scheduled for March 26th, the day after the final round of the Pro tournament.  5Points contacted the course management, and they confirmed that the course setup for the Community Cup will be the same as the pros will be playing on Sunday, with the rough still long and the pin placements designed to force good shots.  More info to come shortly!

Here are today’s results:

Stableford:

  • Winner:  Ae (45 Points)
  • Runner-Up:  Steve (44 Points)

Closest to the Pins:

  • Hole 3:  Bruce G
  • Hole 7:  Bruce G
  • Hole 12:  Leo
  • Hole 17:  Brian
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
37 98 5Points 27 4.00 150
43 93 Egbert 28 4.00 150
38 85 Leo – W 15 2.67 17
36 93 Graham 21 0.50 -200
40 77 Bruce G 9 2.50 0
38 94 Brian 24 1.33 -117
29* 97 Andrew 18 0.00 -250
45 81 Ae 18 3.17 67
29 94 Peter 15 0.00 -250
44 96 Steve – W 32 6.83 433

*manipulated score — declared invalid

Next Events:

Santiburi Members and Friends:

  • Thursday, March 8, 2018, 8:32 AM (please be at the course by 8:15 AM)
  • SMAF plays every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday at 8:30 AM.  Please be at  the course by 8:15 AM!
  • Save the Date:  Monday, March 26, 2018 — SMAF-Sponsored COMMUNITY CUP Tournament — The day after the Singha Masters Pro event concludes.  More details to come!

Chiang Rai Golfers:

  • Tuesday, March 6, Waterford, 8.30am — Tea Bag Tournament
  • Tuesday, March 13, Waterford, 8.30am
  • Thursday, March 15, Happy City, 8.30am (All-up price is 1400 baht, including compulsory single cart).

 

Results – March 3, 2018

A warm, sunny, beautiful day for golf.  The course is in excellent condition and getting better.

Announcement:  Effective immediately, Santiburi Members and Friends will play the ball “down”; that is, no more “lift, clean and place” in the fairways.  As mentioned above, the course is in excellent condition, and there just is no reason to touch your ball, even if it gets a miniscule bit of dirt on it.  Obviously, if there is a major weather event or abnormal ground conditions arise, we will modify the policy as needed, but the blanket “lift, clean and place” policy is hereby rescinded.

We had eight participants today, all members.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Leo and Steve played from the white tees).

Egbert posted 42 points to win the Stableford competition by one point over Graham and Andrew (41 points each).  Egbert also won the most skins (7 skins for 310 baht).  Brian came in second with 6 skins and 230 baht.

Bruce G got closest on 3 and 12 (times 2, since Andrew did the Walk of Shame on 7), and Brian got closest on 17.

Here are the results:

Stableford:

  • Winner:  Egbert (42 points)
  • Runner(s)-Up:  Graham (41 points); Andrew (41 points)

Closest to the pins:

  • Hole 3: Bruce G
  • Hole 7:  No One (Andrew did the Walk of Shame)
  • Hole 12:  Bruce G (x2)
  • Hole 17:  Brian
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
35 100 5Points 27 3.50 30
42 94 Egbert 28 7.00 310
26 97 Leo – W 15 0.50 -210
41 88 Graham 21 2.00 -90
39 78 Bruce G 9 3.00 -10
33 99 Brian 24 6.00 230
41 85 Andrew 18 2.00 -90
34 106 Steve – W 32 1.00 -170

Next Events:

Santiburi Members and Friends:

  • Monday, March 5, 2018, 8:32 AM (please be at the course by 8:15 AM)
  • SMAF plays every Monday, Thursday, and Saturday at 8:30 AM.  Please be at  the course by 8:15 AM!
  • Save the Date:  Monday, March 26, 2018 — SMAF-Sponsored COMMUNITY CUP Tournament — The day after the Singha Masters Pro event concludes.  More details to come!

Chiang Rai Golfers:

  • Tuesday, March 6, Waterford, 8.30am — Tea Bag Tournament
  • Tuesday, March 13, Waterford, 8.30am
  • Thursday, March 15, Happy City, 8.30am (All-up price is 1400 baht, including compulsory single cart).