Another Post on Handicaps

“Most of us have scored 27 Stableford points on one day and 43 Stableford points on the next round – a range of 16 points!  When the range of likely scores is that wide, it becomes ridiculous to worry about whether a particular golfer’s handicap is 25.4, 24.8, or 23.4….There is no way to know on any given day the “exactly right” handicap for any golfer with the skill level of the average SMAF participant.”

Yes, I have to go back to that quote again.   When I first read it I thought it was one of the most stupid things I have ever read about handicaps.   THEN,  someone whom I consider to be quite intelligent told me this week that he agrees with the statement.

The purpose of handicaps is to try and make it as absolutely fair as possible for each participant to win on a given day.   Of course no computer program or data analyst is able to determine in advance who is going to have or not have a good round.   There are 2 handicap systems, USGA and CONGU — both have large manuals with all their rules.   It is their belief that if you follow their rules you will get a fair result based on how each individual plays that day.   You must follow their rules as closely as possible in order to get it exactly right on that given day.   Neither system is perfect but one or the other is accepted by nearly 100% of the world’s golf organizations.   (Note:  that is more than the 2000+ golfers that use BIRDIE).

The difference between 25.4 and 23.4 is 2 stokes.  I recently determined that if I use the BS-hcp I would get 2 more strokes than using the USGA handicap that I had posted.   As this is acceptable to the SMAF Administrators I did so.   The 2 more strokes were on holes #2 and #18 which on the 2 days I used this handicap I was lucky enough to par (for 4 points).  I also won the Stableford on Monday by 2 strokes.  A profit of 1560 baht in the skins game over the 2 days which was used to buy beer for those that competed without BS-hcps.  Of course I am not going to get par on #2 and #18 every day but even once every 2 rounds is still a nice advantage.  The fact of the matter is that the BS-hcps are usually a stroke higher for each member and if you throw in a Happy City or Waterford score you can get it up another stroke.

The Administrators keep bringing up “Fun and Friendly”.   I would advise them that in my 18 years of playing with various groups I have found there to be 2 issues that are fun killers.   One, is cheaters and two, is the perception that handicaps aren’t correct.   It is my observation that the Administrators think ignoring those issues make it more “fun and friendly.”

Here are my analogies. 

  1. USGA handicaps using SMAF only scores.   “The Crystal Clear Pool”  .  Only rounds played as SMAF competitions are included.  All other rounds don’t count.   Counting non-SMAF rounds is peeing in the pool.   One person is responsible for ensuring the integrity of the pool.  This worked very well for over 3 years with no conflicts.  Our handicaps were accepted on the rare occasions we played elsewhere.
  2. Chiang Rai Golfers — CONGU handicaps.  “The Public Urinal” .  As both Waterford and Happy City are not rated they are not able to maintain a pool.  Only those that use the urinal (play as CRG competitions) are included.   One person is responsible for ensuring that the urinal is flushed regularly and kept clean.  Their handicaps work well within the group and are close enough to be compatible with the SMAF handicaps.
  3. BIRDIE — supposedly the same as USGA handicaps.  “The Thai Toilet” .  All rounds that you play may be included even though Waterford and Happy City are not officially rated.  BIRDIE doesn’t tell us where they got the ratings from or even what the ratings are.   That leads several of us to suspect they just made them up.  The Santiburi rating is wrong.   Anyone playing without a BIRDIE handicap on a Chiang Rai course against someone with a BIRDIE handicap is at a disadvantage.  A Thai toilet is something we all avoid and use only when absolutely necessary.   Everyone in the group gets to use it and no one is responsible for seeing that the toilet even gets flushed.  It would work well within the group if it were absolutely necessary.  It isn’t.
  4. The World Handicap System that the new SMAF blog has announced for 2020.  It is possible that it will be the answer to all our problems.  As “This Is Thailand” I would expect that the Thai courses will not get rated and that we will not be any further ahead than we are presently. 

What to do now?

As most of the membership are not presently in town I would suggest that we decide (each day) on the first tee which handicap we should all use (SMAF(USGA) or BIRDIE). The majority wins.   (Jokingly, I pick BIRDIE as long as I am winning.)   Once the majority of the members are here (perhaps 12 or more) then we take a vote and settle this once and for all.  I am not opposed to golfers maintaining BIRDIE handicaps if they feel they have a use for it outside of SMAF events.  I am just saying we had a system that was working and when done correctly eliminated all controversy.  The Dictators Administrators have decided that the members are too stupid to know what is best for us and haven’t given us a say in the decision.

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Updated handicaps — Results June 28 -> July 9, 2018

I will be publishing the handicaps for all the members  and friends that have recently played with us every 2 weeks.  For those with 5 or more cards but less than 10 cards their handicap will be updated weekly.  All handicaps are peer reviewable.  All scores are recorded on this blog.  If anyone wants a listing of theirs or anyone else’s last 20 scores I will send it to them.  Only SMAF rounds played at Santiburi are included in the handicap calculation.   The course rating for all tees is as listed on the Santiburi golf course website.

I will be publishing another handicap commentary probably on Wednesday.

Updated Handicaps – Monday, July 9, 2018

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Andrew 15.4 17  up 1
Brian J 22.6 24
Bruce G 5.9 6
Egbert 23.4 25
Graham T 19.2 21  up 1
5Points 26.2 28
John P 10.9 12
Leo 19.3 21
Les 29.6 32
Marc 19.8 21
Paul P 17.8 19
Peter R 12.1 13
Young 28.4 29 red
Darryl 15.6 16 (13)
Steve 31.6 32 31 (29)
Bruce K 31.7 32 (30)
Friends
Woody 5.1 6  up 1
Jim 34 37 36 max.
Mike D 13.4 14  8 cards
Peter Mac 13.4 14  6 cards
Rob B 14.7 16  8 cards

For white tee competitions use your index rounded to the nearest whole number.

Darryl, Steve and Bruce K’s white handicaps are 16 / 31 / 32.   When competing against those on the blue tees they should use the number in brackets.

Results – Monday, July 9, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
24 99 Peter Mac 15 0 -250
37 87 Rob B 16 2 -90
37 85 Mike D 14 2.5 -50
39 92 Leo 23 12.5 750
33 96 Graham 21 1 -170
33 82 Bruce G 7 2.5 -50
33 107 Jim 32 4 70
30 108 Steve – W 30 0.5 -210

Results – Saturday, July 7, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 89 Rob B 13 0.00 -250
32 105 Young 29 0.00 -250
20 116 5Points 28 0.83 -150
30 90 Mike D 12 1.00 -130
35 92 Paul P 19 1.00 -130
38 91 Graham 21 1.00 -130
33 79 Woody 4 1.50 -70
38 77 Bruce G 7 1.50 -70
31 92 Peter Mac 15 2.00 -10
24 115 Jim S 31 3.00 110
42 79 John P 13 4.33 270
41 90 Leo 23 8.83 810

Results – Thursday, July 5, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
17 119 5Points 28 1.00 -170
29 107 Paul M 28 1.00 -170
33 94 Paul P 19 1.83 -103
33 104 Young 29 1.83 -103
29 110 Jim S 31 2.00 -90
33 96 Graham 21 4.33 97
27 88 Bruce G 7 4.50 110
44 95 Steve – W 31 8.50 430

Results – Monday, July 2, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
21 105 Paul 18 0.00 -250
33 96 Leo 21 0.50 -205
34 81 Bruce G 7 1.00 -160
30 90 Mike D 12 2.00 -70
28 92 Rob B 12 2.50 -25
36 100 5Points 28 3.00 20
42 96 Young 30 4.00 110
32 97 Graham 21 5.50 245
42 97 Steve – W 31 6.50 335

Results – Saturday, June 30, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
24 111 Young 27 2.00 -100
30 99 Graham 21 2.00 -100
33 94 Andrew 19 2.00 -100
32 107 Les 31 2.50 -65
31 105 5Points 28 4.00 40
37 90 Paul 19 5.00 110
32 89 John P 13 6.50 215

Results – Thursday, June 28, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
20 100 Rob B 12 0.00 -250
24 96 Mike D 12 2.00 -150
28 108 5Points 28 2.00 -150
39 76 Bruce G 7 9.00 200
31 98 Leo 21 12.00 350

BS-hcps / Peer Review

Last week I wrote about what I thought of the BIRDIE handicap system which you can find here.  These handicaps I now refer to as BS-hcps.   They like to claim they have over 2000 subscribers.  A quick estimate is that over 50% don’t have 20 scores in the system.  Many don’t even have 5.   You can’t delete your name so there is no way of knowing how many abandoned the system and how many are really using it.

So repeating myself somewhat about what’s wrong.

  1.  Nowhere on the BIRDIE website do you get course ratings.  I have no idea where they got the ratings for Happy City and Waterford or whether they are anywhere near correct.   I know that the ratings they use for Santiburi are certainly incorrect.  Also, I can’t see YOUR Santiburi blue tee handicap which would be OK if I knew the their ratings but I don’t.   Therefore we all must accept what each other claims on game day.    Only the courses listed here have ratings.   The ratings for Santiburi on the TGA website are exactly the same as the Santiburi website and are the ratings I have been using for many years.
  2.   You can only make corrections if you catch your mistake quickly.   I didn’t check my scores until after I entered all of them — too late to correct.
  3.   I know from experience you can never get all members to comply with the rules and do it correctly.

Last Monday there were 9 participants.   Six used BS-hcps, I used the handicap posted on this blog and the 2 Australian visitors used their Australian handicaps which they update themselves.  Four out of the 6 that used BS-hcps played with handicaps that were one stroke above what is listed on this blog.  The 5 of us that didn’t play with BS-hcps were at a disadvantage.

The Administrators have decided that trivial irregularities shouldn’t be condemned so I think it is only fair that I play with a BS-hcp as well.   Yep, I have given in.   I now have an up-to-date BS-hcp.  I can now play with a 23 handicap from the blue tees at Santiburi instead of my correct handicap of 21.   Thanks Administrators!   It makes me feel like a cheat but what the heck.  You already said you think I use despicable, unethical, coercive tactics and have a stunning disregard for ethics.   Why shouldn’t I act as you perceive me?   I might find you are right and it is more FUN and FRIENDLY this way.   It certainly will be more FUN the next time I par the 2nd hole.

The Administrators tell you that the transition is going well so to confirm it for them I have done a peer review.  Obviously I have no way of checking scores from non-SMAF events.

Andrew:

April 9th:  recorded 92 – score was 90  /  Apr 5th recorded 2 scores (97) wrong and (91) correct

Brian:

No BS-hcp

Bruce G:

I question the accuracy of the May 14th score.  That said, it could be right and it is about to fall out of the last 20.

Darryl:

No BS-hcp

Egbert:

Feb 17th white tee – not blue,  Feb 10th after being informed of the error entered the correct score – couldn’t delete the wrong score.

Graham:

June 16th wrong score 95 not 96.   May 17th 95 not 94.  May 14th most likely an incorrect score,  May 12th 95 not 94.    One score not recorded at all.

5 Points:

All 12 adjustments are bogus.   You can’t make ESC adjustments to stableford scores.

Leo:

June 25th – Happy City white not Santiburi blue, June 14th– white not blue, May 17th 99 not 98, May 14th 93 not 89.

Les:

No BS-hcp

Marc:

Uses TGA – he has recorded all rounds he played with the group correctly.   TGA does the calculations correctly.  His handicap is correct.

Peter R:

No BS-hcp

Steve:

Missed 2 scores and Feb 12th wrong score 115 not 109

July 27th I don’t think it was from the gold tee but it wouldn’t matter if his 2 missing scores were input.

Young:

Missing 1 score

Paul:

Missing 1 score

John Park:

He has 2 BS-hcp accounts — June 30th 89 not 88, 8 missing scores (4 of which are on his 2nd account)

Bruce K:

Missing 2 scores from September 2017 which would get him over the 20 scores.

(For those members interested in the correct handicaps they will be published shortly after the July 9th round is played.)

Canada Cup Photos – Pt. 1

A spectacularly beautiful day, with moderate temps and partly sunny skies.   A slight breeze made it absolutely perfect for the 10th annual Canada Cup.  Happy City is in excellent shape which made it a perfect venue.

Our goal every year is was for old friends and new to get together for a game of golf.  There were 23 participants who were there to PLAY GOLF AND HAVE FUN.  Two had flown in from Australia and another from Hong Kong because they wanted to play in this event.

The organizers would like to say thank once again to the participants that generously donated to the prize pool.   Chiang Rai Golfers fully supported this year’s Canada Cup not only by all coming out but also by their contribution to and the running of the raffle.   It kept us all drinking beer for much longer.  A very grateful thanks to Ross and Neil.   Keith, Phil, Mike Dunn, Philippe and Peter S.  were also contributors.

Closest to the pins winners each got 12 bottles of Moosehead beer which were donated by Phil.   The beer is Canadian!  You can read about it here.

Judy (#3 and #16), Leo (#7), Mike Devine (#16).

The winner of the Canada Cup was Judy with 36 points.  She won a bottle of Canadian Club Whiskey that was imported all the way from Cana – bodia.

Honorable mentions (who all got prizes) :  Bruce G (35), Steve McG (34), Ross (33), Rob B (33) .

We hope to see you all again next year for the 11th Annual Canada Cup where old friends and new will get together to PLAY GOLF AND HAVE FUN.

— Leo, Will and Bruce K

 

As usual Sven came out and took numerous photos which are on this blog.  Thanks Sven for the photos.

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Birdsh*t

On May 24th the Administrators (5Points and Graham) announced that SMAF would be transitioning to the Birdie Handicap system or if you wished you could use something similar.   At no time before the decision to change did they consult with the members and give us an explanation as to why nor did they give us a chance to object.   The next time I saw them I asked when they had an ABAGM on this topic.   They said that they decided to change and an ABAGM wasn’t necessary.   I asked why were we changing now and not when most of the members are in town.  Graham replied “WE CAN’T TELL YOU THAT”!   I then asked what they were covering up – the answer was so bad I dare not repeat it.  Did you read about any of this conversation on their blog?   Of course not.

About two weeks later I mentioned that both the Administrators had entered incorrect information into the Birdie database.    They never changed it.   Again there was no mention of this on their blog.

Last week they said “In general, the response to this change has been positive.” Yes, very positive.  In the one month since the announcement I count 5 out of 16 members have entered their last 20 scores. Of the 5, four have more than 2 errors in their input.   They keep telling us about the peer review.   Where is it?  Only after it was very apparent to me that the Administrators were not reviewing the data input I advised Egbert to make corrections which he did.

Most of us have scored 27 Stableford points on one day and 43 Stableford points on the next round – a range of 16 points!  When the range of likely scores is that wide, it becomes ridiculous to worry about whether a particular golfer’s handicap is 25.4, 24.8, or 23.4.    There is no way to know on any given day the “exactly right” handicap for any golfer with the skill level of the average SMAF participant.  If I read that right, it says handicaps for inconsistent golfers are meaningless.  In fact your handicap is supposed to indicate your expected score on your average good day.   Most days you will be below it, on a good day you will score above it.  To say it doesn’t matter that I have to give a fellow golfer an extra 2 strokes more than he deserves because we don’t know how he will play that day is absurd.

There are over 2,000 subscribers to BIRDIE in Thailand.  That is a major vote of confidence in the BIRDIE system.  We are told we are switching to Birdie because it is transparent.   Where did they get the ratings for Happy City and Waterford?  For that matter the ratings I have just found that the ratings for Santiburi are wrong.  We have always used the ratings from the Santiburi website.  As I write this Bruce’s handicap using exactly the same scores on Birdie is 6.5 yet by my calculations it is 5.7 – a difference of 14%.   Graham’s handicap on birdie is 19.3 yet by my calculations it is 18.4.    Unless someone can show me proof that the ratings that Birdie uses are correct I will assume they are wrong and therefore all handicaps they generate are wrong.

Let’s review what I have just said.   The members weren’t asked if they want Birdie.  Most of the members haven’t bothered with it.  Four of the five that did enter data didn’t get it close to 100% correct and the Birdie system is producing incorrect handicaps.   I’ve got to ask why in the world is this being pushed on us?   Oh yes, you’ve already answered that with “WE CAN’T TELL YOU THAT”!

He (Leo) has demonstrated a stunning disregard for ethics and a persistent inability to put aside personal animosities for the good of the group It appears to me that it is the Administrators that have a disregard for ethics by deciding what the members want without discussing it with them first.   Are we too stupid to be part of the decision?  It also appears that it is the Administrators that have an inability to put aside personal animosities for the good of the group.  After all, what is it that they can’t tell us?   Maybe they just don’t want me taking care of the handicaps.

I will be publishing the handicaps for all the members every 2 weeks.  All handicaps are peer reviewable.  All scores are recorded on this blog.  If anyone wants a listing of theirs or anyone else’s last 20 scores I will send it to them.  It won’t be as instant as Birdie but it will be accurate.   With me you get fair handicaps which will ensure SMAF competitions are FUN and FRIENDLY as they always were in the past..   Why accept Birdsh*t?

Updated handicaps — Results June 21 – 25, 2018

I will be publishing the handicaps for all the members every 2 weeks.  All handicaps are peer reviewable.  All scores are recorded on this blog.  If anyone wants a listing of theirs or anyone else’s last 20 scores I will send it to them.  Only SMAF rounds played at Santiburi are included in the handicap calculation.   The course rating for all tees is as listed on the Santiburi golf course website.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Andrew 15.1 16
Brian J 22.6 24
Bruce G 5.7 6
Egbert 23.4 25
Graham T 18.4 20
5Points 26.6 29
John P 11.5 12
Leo 19.3 21
Les 29.6 32
Marc 19.8 21
Paul P 17.8 19
Peter R 12.1 13
Young 29.1 29 red
Darryl 15.6 16 (13)
Steve 30.8 33 31 (29)
Bruce K 31.7 32 (30)
Friends
Woody 4.9 5

For white tee competitions use your index rounded to the nearest whole number.

Darryl, Steve and Bruce K’s white handicaps are 16 / 31 / 32.   When competing against those on the blue tees they should use the number in brackets.

Results – Monday, June 25, 2018

Gross Scores (using above calculation) — Par is 72, we played from the blue tees:

  • Graham (HCap 20):  72 + 20 + 36 – 27 = Gross Score 101
  • 5Points (HCap 28):  72 + 28 + 36 – 31 = Gross Score 105
  • Bruce G (HCap 7):  72 + 7 + 36 – 36 = Gross Score 79

Results – Saturday, June 23, 2018

All played from blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 106 5Points 28 2.00 -130
34 81 Bruce G 7 2.50 -100
42 87 Graham 21 4.00 -10
30 109 Les 31 4.50 20
41 80 John P 13 5.50 80
34 95 Leo 21 6.50 140

Thursday — June 21, 2018

Happy City –  No scores recorded on the blog.

A very personal attack

For those that don’t see the other blog I sent the following email out to the Administrators (5Points and Graham).   The intent of the email was to get the handicaps done correctly and more importantly to get it done quietly so not to embarrass Graham for getting the handicaps all wrong.  It was intended as a private email which they call “despicable”.  They chose to publish it on their public blog and then attack me personally.    Of course that wasn’t despicable.   For some reason they edited out the names — I have chosen not to.  I have deleted one line because it was private speculation and not fact.   More on this very soon.

In the interest of fairness and trying to keep this friendly I feel I should warn you of what is coming.

The following members don’t have birdie accounts:  Brian, Darryl, Les, Marc, Paul, Young, Peter, BruceK

I have abandoned mine.    Steve has one but no scores have been added.

There are certainly good reasons why a few may want a birdie handicap but some of the members don’t need or want one.   They were completely happy with the way I was doing it and there were no issues about transferability or transparency.  As 90% of the members are playing 90% of their rounds in SMAF competitions at Santiburi it was never an issue about not recording games played outside of the group.   All group scores and handicaps are recorded on the blog.   There is nothing hidden and nothing can be manipulated.

I have gone back to the day when I passed everything over to Graham and have all handicaps up to date.   The major thing I noticed was that not one of the handicaps as calculated by Graham agreed with my numbers.   We both used the same scores off the blog.   How is that possible?   In the interest of accuracy I went back and double checked.   Mine are all correct.  Graham and I differ over 1 handicap by 3 strokes — hardly a small mistake.

When I first heard about your plan to change everyone over my immediate concern was you would never get 16 people to do it right.

Egbert who is a good soldier and follows orders now has 3 very different handicaps.   Birdie (25.4), Graham (24.8), Leo (23.4).

As of yesterday’s round I have 5Points (26.2) and Graham (19.1).   If you don’t have that, then you got yours wrong.

You’ve got 2 choices.   1)  Quietly go back to the way it was with me keeping the handicaps with only SMAF rounds.  Any member requiring a birdie handicap is welcome to keep it but it won’t be valid for SMAF.   I will assist anyone requiring information why their SMAF handicap is different from their birdie handicap but only if it is requested.  Every 2 weeks I will submit updated handicaps to you to post on the blog.   or  2) You can continue down the road your are travelling into a massive shitstorm.   I will email all members about the differences.  If they don’t want a birdie handicap then you don’t really have any choice but to let them use the one I will provide for them.   Won’t that be fun and friendly?

To make my motives absolutely clear.   How do you define a little bit wrong?    Is Egbert’s handicap that is out by 2 just a little bit wrong?   I don’t really want the job of overseeing the handicaps but unless someone is found that will ensure that it is exactly right I will continue to do it.   The members deserve exactly right.

Here is the Administrators’ response:

There is a lot to unpack here, and we’ll try to do it as succinctly as possible while making our points.

Leo objects to our transition to BIRDIE and is using coercive tactics to try to force us to reconsider moving away from the handicap system that he created and ran for SMAF in the past.

Coercive tactics are unethical, and Graham and 5Points are united in our opposition to their use.  We will not kowtow to Leo’s attempt to blackmail us into changing the transition plan.  Furthermore, we are resolved that Leo will never be allowed to occupy any leadership position in SMAF ever again.  He has demonstrated a stunning disregard for ethics and a persistent inability to put aside personal animosities for the good of the group — two qualities that are essential for leadership.  That said, he is welcome to participate with us.  Leo will not be banned.

But, apart from our stern disapproval of Leo’s despicable coercive tactics, let’s take a look at Leo’s argument against transitioning to BIRDIE.

Leo has advanced the following argument against transition away from his in-house system — SMAF members won’t/can’t update their scores or can’t be trusted to input them accurately, so their handicap will be wrong, and that will be unfair to other players.

We have several counter-arguments to this, to include that the BIRDIE system is peer-reviewable, meaning that everyone can see what scores a player has posted (and we also post the scores in our blog), so if someone’s handicap seems far outside what the golfer is known to play to, any one of us can go to the blog and compare his BIRDIE scores to the blog-posted scores, and know immediately if there is something amiss.  There are over 2,000 subscribers to BIRDIE in Thailand.  That is a major vote of confidence in the BIRDIE system.

But more importantly, most SMAF golfers (and most golfers in the Chiang Rai area, with the exception of a very few excellent golfers who play to single-digit handicaps) have golf abilities that result in widely varying scores.  Most of us have scored 27 Stableford points on one day and 43 Stableford points on the next round – a range of 16 points!  When the range of likely scores is that wide, it becomes ridiculous to worry about whether a particular golfer’s handicap is 25.4, 24.8, or 23.4.  In technical terms, the “signal to noise” ratio is too great to fine tune the handicap to that level of detail.  To use Leo’s phrase from his e-mail, there is no way to know on any given day the “exactly right” handicap for any golfer with the skill level of the average SMAF participant.

On the other hand, for example, if a golfer we know shoots to a low-20’s handicap and now claims a handicap of 30, it is worth looking at the scores and determining if there is a reason for the sudden rise.  The fact is, most of us who golf together regularly have a good handle on what each other’s handicap range is, and the handicaps just don’t change too much over time.  When 5Points arrived in Chiang Rai over 3 years ago, he claimed a USGA handicap of 26.  Over three years later, he’s playing to a 28.  In reality, it would be better to characterize him as a “high 20’s” handicap.  Likewise, Graham has been stuck in the high teens/low 20’s all that time.  Leo has gone from solidly mid-teens to low 20’s but he’s had some back pain issues, so it adds up.  We all know what everyone’s handicap is.

To call someone a “cheater” or a “sandbagger” over one, two or even more handicap strokes, or to condemn a handicap system over such trivial irregularities, is antithetical to our stated purpose as a golf group:  To play golf and have fun.  It gets in the way of us achieving our goals.  It is no way to address a perceived problem with the handicapping system.

A better way to deal with a perceived error in a player’s handicap, or if a player’s handicap has not been kept up to date, is to assign the player a provisional handicap that is in line with what we know the player usually plays to, until the error is corrected or the handicap is up to date.  That is the procedure we outlined in our original post announcing the transition, and that is what we will do.  We believe the need to use such procedures will be relatively minimal.  We will always encourage our SMAF participants to avoid errors and to keep their handicaps up to date.

SMAF is continuing our transition to the BIRDIE system.  We would like the support of everyone, but we recognize there are some who may not be completely satisfied with the new handicapping system.  We sincerely believe transitioning to an independent, portable, peer-reviewable system such as BIRDIE is far better than an in-house system that allows no insight into how the handicap is calculated.  We ask for everyone’s help in making the transition smooth — even Leo’s help.  We are willing to assist in any way we can to help SMAF participants create BIRDIE accounts and enter their own scores, including walking them through the process.  We expect all participants to commit to keeping their handicap up to date and accurate, and we will encourage all participants to do so – even Leo.  However, we will not swayed by unethical practices such as coercion and blackmail.

Results — March 10 – June 18, 2018

Due to recent events I have decided to re-activate this blog.   I will have a lot more later.   For the moment I want to have all SMAF scores that have been recorded in one place so here is what was missed.

Results – Monday, June 18, 2018  blue tees

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
35 80 Bruce G 7 1.00 -180
34 79 Woody 5 4.00 -30
36 93 Leo 21 5.00 20
31 98 Graham 21 6.00 70
39 97 5Points 28 7.00 120

 

 

Results – Saturday, June 16, 2018  blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
34 95 Graham 21 1.00 -190
37 76 Woody 5 1.00 -190
39 91 Leo 22 2.00 -130
38 83 John P 13 3.00 -70
38 77 Bruce G 7 5.50 80
45 91 5Points 28 12.50 500

 

 

Results – Thursday, June 14, 2018

From the white tees (Judy played from the red tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 95 -R Judy 17 0.00 -250
34 104 -W John O 30 0.50 -205
35 93 -W Graham 20 1.50 -115
35 93 -W Leo 20 2.00 -70
37 97 -W 5Points 26 2.00 -70
37 100 -W Rodney 29 3.50 65
24 100 -W Ross 16 4.00 110
41 72 -W Woody 5 5.00 200
43 72 -W Bruce G 7 6.50 335

 

Results – Monday, June 11, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 84 Woody 5 0.00 -200
27 109 5Points 28 1.00 -150
35 94 Graham 21 3.00 -50
39 76 Bruce G 7 7.00 150
43 78 John P 13 9.00 250

 

Results – Saturday, June 9, 2018

  • We played our normal skins game from the blue tees
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
10 130 Bruce H 32 0.00 -250
35 80 Bruce G 7 1.00 -190
32 104 5Points 28 2.50 -100
33 96 Graham 21 4.00 -10
37 84 John P 13 7.00 170
42 89 Leo 23 10.50 380

 

Results – Thursday, June 7, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 99 Leo 23 1.00 -200
32 104 5Points 28 2.00 -150
38 77 Bruce G 7 3.00 -100
41 80 John P 13 4.50 -25
41 88 Graham 21 14.50 475

Results – Monday, June 4, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
25 104 Graham 21 0.00 -230
27 109 5Points 28 6.00 10
37 78 Bruce G 7 8.00 90
33 96 Leo 21 9.00 130

Results – Saturday, June 2, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
33 88 John P. 13 0.00 -250
35 93 Graham 20 4.50 -25
31 98 Leo 21 5.00 0
35 101 5Points 28 5.50 25
40 75 Bruce G 7 10.00 250

Results – Thursday, May 31, 2018

Graham 103, 5Points (net) 104+.

RESULTS

Results – Monday, May 28, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 1.00 -200
36 79 Bruce G 7 4.00 -80
37 84 John P. 13 8.50 100
37 99 5Points 28 10.50 180

Results – Saturday, May 26, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 98 Graham 20 3.00 -130
33 96 Leo 21 5.00 -50
35 80 Bruce G 7 8.00 70
36 100 5Points 28 9.00 110

Results – Thursday, May 24, 2018

  • 5Points:  Stableford Score 37/Handicap 27/Gross Score 98
  • Bruce G:  Stableford Score 35/Handicap 6/Gross Score 79

Results – Monday, May 21, 2018

 

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
34 87 John P 13 2.00 -150
28 86 Bruce G 6 2.00 -150
32 103 5Points 27 5.00 0
31 96 Leo 19 6.00 50
40 89 Graham 21 10.00 250

Results – Saturday, May 19, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 106 5Points 27 3.00 -90
26 101 Leo 19 3.00 -90
38 76 Bruce G 6 5.00 10
37 84 John P 13 6.00 60
43 87 Graham 22 7.00 110

 

Thursday 17/05/18 Report

The scores on the next 4 reports in red have been calculated by Leo and based on the most recent (May 8) handicap report.

Leo                       28pts  ( leo didn’t play skins)  (19/99)

Bruce                   24 pts         1 skin                             -210bht  (6/90)

Jim                       30pts           6 skins                            +10 bht  (35/112)

John Park           34pts            71/2 skins                      +50bht  (15/89)

Graham               34pts           10 1/2 skins                   +170bht  (21/95)

 

Monday 14/05/18 Results

Results  (exact same scores as 12/05 —  I call BS! )

Graham           34pts              -130bht  (21/95)  

Leo                   34pts              -230bht   (19/93)  Leo recorded 89 at his home hcp.

Merv                34pts              +370bht   (25/99)

Bruce G            35pts              -30bht   (6/79)

Jim S                 39pts              +20bht   (35/103)

Both Graham and BruceG recorded the same scores on 12/05 and 14/05.   They probably didn’t catch the mistake.   For handicap purposes I have discarded all the scores except mine as the others have most likely copied the incorrect scores from the blog.

 

Saturday 12/05/18 Report

Scores   Leo     –       34pts   –  Once again Donation Day with nothing but a dent in the wallet      -250bht  (19/93)

Graham     34pts  – 2 skins            -130bht  (21/95)

Merv          34pts   –  12 skins        +370bht   (25/99)

Bruce G      35pts  –   4 skins          -30bht  (6/79)

FHH Jim    39pts   –    5 skins         +20bht   (35/103)

 

Thursday 10/05/18 Report

Scores

Leo                  29 pts         0 skins  (19/98)

John Park       32pts         2 skins     (15/91)

Jim S                33pts         3 skins    (35/110)

Bruce G          35pts          3 skins   (6/79)

Graham           38pts         15 skins   (21/91)

Catch -up Reports & Hcp Update

Thursday 03/05/18

After coffee and checking all weather apps , all voted that Bruce’s was the best  and with that Graham went home Bruce and Marc decided  to give it a go

apparently they made it around dry

Saturday 05/05/18

Wet and forecast was for more to come

MEOW

Monday 07/05/18

Tommy and John P elected not to play skins

Results

Nearest pins  Bruce G to advantage of Woodys absense and took them all

Bruce G          72              42pts                   +200bht   (6/72)

Marc M            95             35pts                   +400bht  (22/95)

Graham           99             29pts                    -150bht  (20/99)

Steve                                     DNF                   -250bht

Jim                   107            28pts                    -200bht   (35/115)

Results – Monday, April 30, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
28 105 5Points 25 0.00 -250
31 99 Marc 22 1.00 -180
31 83 Bruce G 6 1.00 -180
36 85 John P 13 4.50 65
26 86 Woody 4 5.00 100
40 88 Graham 20 6.00 170
27 116 Jim 35 7.50 275

Results – Saturday, April 28, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 104 5Points 25 2.00 -130
33 81 Bruce G 6 7.00 120
34 87 John P 13 6.00 70
31 97 Graham 20 3.00 -80
32 98 Marc 22 5.00 20

Results – Thursday, April 26, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve and Jim played from the white tees).  John P. did not participate in the skins, but shot an excellent 40 Stableford points.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
24 109 5Points 25 2.00 -130
31 97 Graham 20 2.50 -100
28 112 Jim – W 32 3.00 -70
29 111 Steve – W 32 3.00 -70
34 94 John F. 20 4.00 -10
34 80 Bruce G 6 10.50 380

Results – Monday, April 23, 2018

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
27 106 5Points 25 0.00 -230
32 96 Graham 20 3.00 -80
41 81 Air 14 4.00 -30
37 93 Marc 22 5.00 20
42 72 Bruce G 6 11.00 320

Results – Saturday, April 21, 2018

  • We had seven participants:  five members and two friends, Woody and Aer.  Woody and Aer played from the gold tees, and Darryl played from the white tees.
stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 104 5Points 25 1.00 -180
30 91 Darryl – W 13 1.00 -180
34 80 Bruce G 6 1.50 -145
32 90 Air 14 2.00 -110
33 79 Woody 4 3.00 -40
37 91 Graham 20 7.00 240
37 93 Marc 22 9.50 415

Results – Thursday, April 19, 2018

John P., Jockey John, and John F. decided not to play in the skins game, but they played well, shooting 37, 36, and 37 Stableford points respectively.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
27 99 Richard 18 0.00 -240
30 92 Air 14 3.00 -60
26 105 Peter M. 23 4.00 0
35 93 Graham 20 4.50 30
34 100 5Points 26 5.00 60
32 80 Woody 4 7.50 210

Results – Monday, April 16, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees, and John F. did not participate in the skins.  However he shot a respectable 30 points (gross 98) from the blue tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 1.00 -190
27 94 Darryl – W 13 2.00 -130
27 87 Bruce G 6 3.00 -70
34 92 Richard 18 3.00 -70
35 77 Woody 4 7.00 170
39 95 5Points 26 9.00 290

Results – Saturday, April 14, 2018

John P. joined us but elected to not participate in the skins.  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 104 5Points 26 0.00 -250
34 88 John P – DNP 14 XXX XXX
34 78 Woody 4 1.00 -190
32 94 Richard 18 2.00 -130
32 96 Graham 20 4.00 -10
36 78 Bruce G 6 8.50 260
35 95 Marc 22 9.50 320

Results – Thursday, April 12, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
29 97 Richard 18 1.50 -130
31 99 Marc 22 1.50 -130
33 89 John P 14 2.50 -50
37 77 Bruce G 6 3.00 -10
17 117 5Points 26 4.00 70
40 81 Darryl – W 13 4.00 70
40 88 Graham 20 4.00 70
37 75 Woody 4 4.50 110

Results – Monday, April 9, 2018

We decided to play stroke play from the blue tees for 100 baht each, with closest to the pins on the four par-3 holes for 40 baht each.

Player Hcap Gross Net Gross (ESC)
5Points +B260 26 92 66 92
Woody +B240 4 74 70 74
John P.  (-B40) 14 85 71 85
Marc  (-B140) 22 94 72 94
Richard (-B140) 18 91 73 90
Bruce G  (-B60) 6 79 73 79
Andrew  (-B140) 17 92 75 90
Graham  +B20 20 105 85 102

Results – Saturday, April 7, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees (Bruce K played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
DNF #### Graham 20 0.00 -250
23 111 5Points 26 0.50 -205
30 96 Richard 18 0.50 -205
22 101 Colin 15 1.00 -160
32 82 Bruce G 6 4.00 110
35 90 Andrew 17 4.00 110
26 110 Bruce K – W 28 5.00 200
35 77 Woody 4 5.00 200
37 93 Marc 22 5.00 200

 

Results – Thursday, April 5, 2018

Darryl played from the white tees — everyone else played from the blue tees.

Team Members Hcap Stb. Scores 1st Six 2nd Six 3rd Six Total
Andrew Andrew

+B160

17 34  91 16 26 41 83
Darryl – W

+B250

13 41 80
Woody

+B250

4 33  79
5Points 5Points

(-B140)

26 28 106 18 30 33 81
Colin

(-B140)

15 42 81
Bruce G

+B40

6 34  80
Graham Graham

(-B140)

20 38  90 16 30 34 80
Marc

(-B140)

23 40  91
Richard

(-B140)

18 31  95

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees (Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 89 Darryl – W 13 0.50 -205
36 78 Bruce G 6 1.00 -160
34 92 Richard 18 2.00 -70
35 93 Graham 20 2.00 -70
35 97 Brian 24 3.00 20
26 86 Woody 4 3.50 65
35 90 Andrew 17 3.50 65
37 97 5Points 26 4.50 155
39 84 Colin 15 5.00 200

Results – Saturday, March 31, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 96 Graham 20 0.00 -250
32 89 John P. 13 4.50 20
35 97 Brian 24 2.00 -130
35 79 Bruce G 6 2.00 -130
37 86 Colin 15 10.00 350

 

Results –Mon Mar 26th  2018 Community Cup

Here are the complete results:

Player Stableford Score Handicap Gross Score Place
John “5Points” C. 31 26 103
Bruce G. 36 6 78
Neil H. – White 36 18 90
“Woody” W. 26 4 86
Clay S. – White 37 18 89 4th Place
Ross F. – White 36 15 87
Philippe D. 27 28 109
John P. 32 13 89
Brian J. 35 24 97
Charchy S. 33 12 87
Keith H. – White 31 32 109
Mike D. 34 20 94
Graham T. 40 20 88 3rd Place
Colin T. 27 15 96
Mark W. 26 20 102
Scott B. 29 21 100
Rob M. – White 34 18 92
Darryl J. – White 28 13 93
Steve M. – White 24 31 115
Air M. 32 14 90
Will F. 27 13 94
Marc M. 40 23 91 2nd Place
David S. 9 16 115
Peter S. – White 42 16 82 1st Place
     
Peter M. – White 23 20 105

 

Results – March 24, 2018

We played our regular skins game from the blue tees. – Waterford

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
28 106 5Points 26 8.00 70
38 93 Marc 23 7.00 30
34 98 Brian 24 5.00 -50
33 81 Bruce G 6 5.00 -50

Results – Thursday, March 22, 2018

Santiburi Members and Friends relocated temporarily to Waterford Valley today.

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Neil, Ross, and Clay played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
33 93 Clay – W 18 2.00 -130
35 88 Ross – W 15 3.00 -70
29 98 Neil – W 19 3.50 -40
36 85 John P 13 3.50 -40
37 77 Bruce G 6 5.50 80
36 98 5Points 26 7.50 200

Results – Monday, March 19, 2018

Jockey John elected not to join us in the skins game.  We played our normal game from the blue tees (Steve played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
32 95 Graham 19 1.50 -115
34 87 John P. 13 1.50 -115
32 108 Steve M – W 32 2.00 -70
30 92 Colin 14 2.50 -25
33 79 Woody 4 3.00 20
35 99 5Points 26 3.00 20
38 76 Bruce G 6 3.00 20
29 103 Brian 24 4.00 110
40 84 Aer 16 4.50 155

Saturday, March 17, 2018

We played at Happy City today.

We had eight participants – six members and two friends (Jockey John, whose birthday is today – Happy Birthday, John! – and Aer).  Jockey John did not participate in the skins. We played our normal skins game, off the white tees with our blue tee handicaps.  However, Steve M said he would play with his white tee handicap, as he normally does at Santiburi.  OK, your funeral Steve.

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
36 87 Peter 15 0.50 -215
38 89 Graham 19 0.50 -215
37 77 Bruce G 6 1.00 -180
27 107 5Points 26 2.00 -110
42 98 Steve M – W 32 4.00 30
37 87 Aer 16 5.00 100
46 85 Marc 23 12.00 590

Results – Thursday, March 15, 2018

Doc and Jockey John (31 stableford points) elected not to join in the skins).  We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve M played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
30 97 Graham 19 0.00 -250
34 98 Brian 24 0.50 -205
35 86 John P 13 1.00 -160
37 103 Steve M – W 32 1.50 -115
32 102 5Points 26 3.00 20
32 99 Marc 23 3.50 65
39 75 Bruce G 6 3.50 65
41 82 Peter 15 5.00 200
44 80 Aer 16 7.00 380

 

Results – Monday, March 12, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve M and Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
36 98 5Points 26 6.00 410
24 103 Graham 19 0.00 -250
36 78 Bruce G 6 1.33 -103
41 83 Peter H. 16 4.67 263
30 94 Andrew 16 0.33 -213
38 84 Darryl – W 14 1.00 -140
30 91 John P 13 2.50 25
24 96 Steve T. 12 0.00 -250
32 99 Marc 23 2.00 -30
42 81 Peter 15 5.50 355
36 104 Steve M – W 32 1.67 -67

Results – March 10, 2018

We played our normal skins game from the blue tees (Steve and Darryl played from the white tees).

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
39 95 5Points 26 2.33 7
28 99 Graham 19 0.00 -250
34 80 Bruce G 6 2.00 -30
36 96 Brian 24 0.67 -177
39 85 Andrew 16 2.00 -30
37 87 Darryl – W 16 1.67 -67
37 84 John P 13 0.33 -213
40 95 Egbert 27 8.00 630
43 88 Marc 23 4.67 263
37 86 Peter 15 3.33 117
31 109 Steve – W 32 0.00 -250

 

4) Too Many Questions — One Possible Answer

The side bet —  You and I are going out for a game of golf.   The one with the lower stableford score will pay the one with the higher score 100 baht.   The fine print clause “If either one of us has a really poor round (fails to score 30 points) then the bet is cancelled.”

Some SMAF members have been making that side bet for a long period of time.  Suddenly the really poor round clause has been quietly dropped.   If both members are trying to win what is the problem — why drop the clause?   Was Andrew “dropping anchor” last week not the first time this happened?

If I hadn’t been playing with Andrew or if Andrew hadn’t been so foolish to boast that he was going to drop anchor then I would not have noticed and reported it.   It is my opinion that the clause was dropped because I made an issue of it.

Why were those that had been participating in the side bet strongly defending Andrew’s behaviour as acceptable?  Why has the group defended his misconduct with “we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had – and an informal poll of other SMAF members closely corresponds with our views on the matter.”?   If you have a bad golf day are you untitled to unsportsmanlike conduct?

I admit I did hijack this blog.   I was shouted down at the lunch table and it was the one resource I had to make my points.   I had fully intended to give the blog back to SMAF once my points had been addressed.   I offered to post anything they wanted completely unedited and once they were given back the blog they would be free to do whatever they wanted with it including delete my post(s).   When they came up with the “one bad golf day” excuse I took a stronger stance which was get Andrew to apologise or you don’t get the blog back.   They considered that coercion (which it was) and they started a new blog.   They told me I could do whatever I wanted with this one.

Why not force the member who certainly was guilty of misconduct (that’s a polite way of saying broke the rules) to apologise?   Mea Culpa.   It would have ended all of this.

The only possible answer for all the questions is perhaps one or two other members had been dropping anchor — would that not be a reason for the way they handled this?   Those that dropped anchor or knew of other incidents and didn’t report it wouldn’t have been in a position to criticize Andrew would they?  I now suspect that dropping anchor had been going on for a while.

Although I have no proof that this wasn’t a solitary incident it would certainly explain why other members went through extremely bad patches and their handicaps went up.  They weren’t deliberately manipulating their handicaps but their handicaps could have gone up due to anchor dropping.   I have always defended SMAF handicaps and the skins game as being fair.   I can no longer say with 100% certainty that they were indeed fair.  MY PROBLEM is that I now believe the integrity of the group has been compromised.

SMAF’s probable response to the above is here.

MY PROBLEM is that after doing the majority of the work for 3 years to promote and build SMAF I was shouted down in a most disrespectful way.  This is not how we sorted things out in the past.

MY PROBLEM is that even if dropping anchor were acceptable that members would resort to such measures to get out of paying a 100 baht bet.   I don’t accept poor sportsmanship.  A bet is a bet.

I resigned but have been told that I am welcome back if I chose to do so.  Their new blog (https://smaf310022724.wordpress.com/)  says “come join us for a fun, friendly round of golf”.   When I announced that I was permanently leaving one member shouted out “GOOD”.    MY PROBLEM is that I don’t call that “friendly” or “welcoming”.

My PROBLEM is that I have too many problems with the way that SMAF has evolved over the past 6 months.   I have no desire to go back any time soon.

It is very likely that I won’t have anything further to say on this subject and it is likely there will never be another post on this blog.   Comments are open so feel free to say whatever is on your mind.   Nothing will be deleted unless it contains foul language.