Updated handicaps / money list

Handicaps:

Changes:   Brian down 2 to 24,  BruceG up 1 to 6, Egbert down 1 to 24,  Graham up 1 to 22

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White tee comps
Members:
Andrew 17.2 19 17
Brian J 22.6 24 DOWN 2 22
Bruce G 5.5 6 UP 1 5
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 22.6 24 DOWN 1 23
Graham T 20 22 UP 1 20
5Points 28.3 30 CAPPED 30 28
Leo 16.2 17 16
Les 28 30 28
Marc 21.5 23 22
Peter R 12 13 12
Steve 33 36 33
Bruce K 30.4 33 31
Friends
Colin 16 assigned 15
Will 12.6 14 13
Ralph P 40.4 CAPPED 36  41

Those playing off the white tees need to subtract 3 from their white tee handicaps when playing against those on the blues.

Member’s Money List :

member 2017 skins only 2017 all comps 2015-now per round
BruceG 1551 3156 14587 61
Les 3308 2983 2278 26
Leo 1794 1769 3362 11
Darryl 1411 1411 1052 17
Egbert 280 530 473 6
5Points 1484 429 -1652 -6
Peter 792 272 812 18
Steve -20 -120 -1629 -65
Marc 50 -260 -1032 -12
Brian -569 -369 -4305 -29
Andrew -635 -925 -2542 -45
BruceK -1142 -1192 -3052 -61
Graham -1426 -1236 499 1

 

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Updated handicaps / money list (Nov 21, 2017)

There is only one change.   Les is down one to 30.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White tee comps
Members:
Andrew 18 19 17
Brian J 21.9 adjusted to 26 25
Bruce G 5 5 5
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 23.1 25 23
Graham T 19 21 19
5Points 28.1 30 28
Leo 16.2 17 16
Les 28 30 DOWN 1 28
Marc 21.5 23 22
Peter R 12 13 12
Steve 33 36 33
Bruce K 30.4 33 31

Those playing off the white tees need to subtract 3 from their white tee handicaps when playing against those on the blues.

Money List:

member 2017 skins only 2017 all comps 2015-now per round
BruceG 1881 3586 15017 64
Les 3468 3143 2438 29
Leo 1894 1869 3462 12
Darryl 1411 1411 1052 17
Egbert 635 785 728 10
5Points 1529 574 -1507 -5
Peter 792 272 812 18
Steve -20 -120 -1629 -65
Marc 50 -260 -1032 -12
Andrew -635 -925 -2542 -45
Graham -1371 -1081 654 2
BruceK -1142 -1192 -3052 -61
Brian -1409 -1309 -5245 -36

Handicaps — Oct 31, 2017

Greetings
As there was no signs of envelopes following end of play yesterday the following hcps will apply.
GT
Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White Handicap Change
Members:
Andrew 18 19 18
Brian 21.8 24 22
Bruce G 4.8 5 5 DOWN 2
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 22.7 25 23 DOWN 1
Graham T 19.3 21 19
5Points 27.4 30 28
Leo 16.2 17 16
Les 28.5 31 29
Marc 21.5 23 22
Peter R 12.4 13 13
Steve 33 36 up 1
Bruce K 30.4 31 plays 29
Friends
Will 12.3 13 12 DOWN 1

Updated Handicaps (Oct 17) — no golf on 26th — play 25th

 

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White
Members:
Andrew 18 19 18
Brian 21.8 24 22
Bruce G 6.4 7 6
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 23.9 26 down 1 24
Graham T 19.8 21 20
5Points 27.6 30 up 4 28
Leo 15.8 17 16
Les 28.5 31 29
Marc 21.5 23 up 1 22
Peter R 12.4 13 13
Steve 33 36 33
Bruce K 30.4 31
Friends
Will 12.6 14 13
Robert T 21.2 23 up 1 21

Those playing from the white tees while others are playing from the blue tees must deduct 3 strokes from their white tee handicap.

Handicaps – Money List – Sept 26

Changes:  Andrew up 1 to 19, BruceG  down 1 to 7,  Graham down 1 to 21, Les down 1 to 31.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Andrew 18 19 up 1
Brian J 21.8 24
Bruce G 6.4 7 down 1
Darryl 17.1 18
Egbert 24.6 27
Graham T 19.1 21 down 1
5Points 26
Leo 16.2 17
Les 28.6 31 down 1
Marc 20.6 22
Peter R 12 13
Steve 33 36
Bruce K 30.7 31
Friends
Will 12.6 14
Robert 20 22

Money List:

member 2017 skins only 2017 all comps 2015-now per round
BruceG 1431 3136 14567 68
Les 2513 2188 1483 20
Leo 1486 1461 3054 11
Darryl 1411 1411 1052 17
5Points 1946 991 -1090 -4
Peter 902 382 922 6
Egbert 248 248 191 3
Steve -20 -120 -1629 -65
Marc -130 -440 -1212 -14
Graham -1021 -731 1004 3
Andrew -635 -925 -2542 -45
BruceK -1142 -1192 -3052 -61
Brian -1576 -1476 -5412 -38

Updated handicaps — Sept 12

Changes:  Andrew up 1 to 18, BruceG up 1 to 8, Marc up 1 to 22, Steve up 1 to 36, Graham down 1 to 22, Les down 1 to 32.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White tee comps
Members:
Andrew 16.4 18 up 1 17
Brian J 21.8 24 22
Bruce G 7.2 8 up 1 7
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 24.6 27 25
Graham T 20.4 22 down 1 21
5Points 26 26
Leo 16.2 17 16
Les 29.5 32 down 1 30
Marc 20.6 22 up 1 21
Peter R 12 13 12
Steve 33 36 up 1 33
Bruce K 30.7 31  plays 29 31

Updated Handicaps — Aug 29

Changes:   Bruce G up 1 to 6,   Colin down 1 to 15.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Andrew 16 17
Brian J 21.8 24
Bruce G 5.7 6 up 1
Darryl 17.1 18
Egbert 24.6 27
Graham T 21.1 23
5Points 26
Leo 16.2 17
Les 30.9 33
Marc 19.9 21
Peter R 12 13
Steve 32.7 35
Bruce K 30.4 31 plays 29
Friends
Colin 14 15 down 1
Will 12.6 14

Updated Handicaps – Money List

A few notes from the outgoing Fairness Specialist.

Skins:   Back in the beginning it was perceived that skins favoured the high handicappers.  It doesn’t.  The biggest positive of skins is that if someone is having a bad day they are inclined to remain interested in the next hole because it matters.  Handicap manipulation can occur if the last couple holes don’t matter. Medal and Stableford players tend to throw in the towel if they start poorly.

White tees:  Back in 2009 there were 14 Santiburi members that played 25 or more times.  Of the 14 members there were 6 that had handicaps of 14 or less, 4 between 15 and 19, and 4 that had handicaps of 20 or more with the highest being 25.   Currently there is 1 member below 16, 4 members 17 – 19, 6 in the 20’s, and 3 in the 30’s.  In 2009 it made sense to play the blues.   The members have evolved into a group where several are struggling from the blues.  Perhaps it is time to change to having most if not all competitions from the white tees.

Handicaps:   There are 3 handicap systems used in the world (USGA, EGA and CONGU).  They all have their flaws.  None of them address the fact that Santiburi can play up to 4 strokes more difficult depending on the tee boxes used and the dampness of the rough and fairway. The purpose of handicaps is to try make a level playing field.   Everyone should have an equal chance to win money no matter what level of ability they possess.   Consideration should be given to those that frequently lose money.   We don’t want players leaving the group because they usually lose money.   That isn’t fun!   The USGA manual states that the Handicap Committee may adjust handicaps.  I adopted the title “Fairness Specialist” because I recognized that there is more to handicapping than just inputting scores and watching a computer spew out handicaps.   Computers don’t understand what is fair.

I never penalize someone for a good round or a streak of good rounds.   The handicap system does that well enough.   However during the past year or so I have routinely given 2 bonus shots for the following:

  • Anyone new that has never played or has limited experience at Santiburi. I have never found a visitor to exaggerate his handicap.   Lack of course knowledge is worth at least 2 strokes.
  • Anyone that has been out of town for 3 or more months. Almost all return “rusty”.
  • Anyone that has been losing on a regular basis that feels they need the extra help. Skins may not suit some golfer’s style of play.  It’s rare that this happens but there is a need to keep everyone happy.

Once any of the above manage 36+ points a couple times over a short period of time I take the bonus strokes away.

I find the Chiang Rai Golfers handicaps to be compatible with ours and accept their handicaps as they are.

In closing I would like to thank all the members (and former members) for their support this past 2 and a half years and hope you all support the new Fairness Specialist (Graham) as well.  Graham knows he can always count on me for help and advise.

Feel free to comment below.

Current handicaps:

Changes:  Andrew up 1 to 17,  Graham up 1 to 23,  Les down 1 to 33, Marc down 1 to 21, Peter up 1 to 13

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap White tee comps
Members:
Andrew 15.4 17  up 1 16
Brian J 21.8 24 22
Bruce G 4.9 5 5
Darryl 17.1 18 17
Egbert 24.6 27 25
Graham T 21.7 23 up 1 22
5Points 26 26
Jockey John 20.3 22 20
Leo 16.2 17 16
Les 30.8 33 down 1 31
Marc 19.9 21 down 1 20
Peter R 12 13 up 1 12
Steve 32.7 35 33
Bruce K 30.4 plays 29 31
Friends
Colin 16 assigned 15
Will 12.6 14 13

Money List:

member 2017 skins only 2017 all comps 2015 ->now per round
BruceG 1636 2866 14297 72
Les 1838 1928 1223 20
Leo 1596 1571 3164 11
Darryl 1411 1411 1052 17
5Points 1926 1111 -970 -4
Peter 1182 712 1252 33
Egbert 248 248 191 3
Steve 20 -80 -1589 -66
Andrew -370 -420 -2037 -46
Marc -250 -500 -1272 -16
BruceK -772 -822 -2682 -56
Jockey -1052 -1052 1272 15
Brian -1576 -1476 -5412 -38
Graham -1796 -1936 -201 -1

Results — July 31st — updated handicaps

Number of rounds played by Santiburi Members and Friends:

Jan 1 – July 31, 2016   :  563            Jan 1 – July 31, 2017  :  581

 

It was a beautiful, sunny day but humid at Santiburi.  Caddie 911 wasn’t there for the humidity test.  There was a huge rain cloud that opened up shortly after finishing.   There were four members and one friend, Colin.  The course was in excellent condition but the 18th green hasn’t been draining well during rainstorms.  It appears that they may be setting up a temporary green.   If that happens it usually takes them 3 months to get the new green completed.

Closest to the Pins:

  • Hole 3:  Bruce G
  • Hole 7:  Les
  • Hole 12:  Bruce G
  • Hole 17:  no one

Stableford:

  • Winner:  Bruce G (35 Points)
  • Runners Up:  Bruce K, Graham  (31 Points)

Here are the results:

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
35 79 Bruce G 6 7 110
31 99 Graham 22 0.5 -215
30 112 Les 34 10 260
31 106 Bruce K 29 1.5 -165
26 96 Colin 14 5 10

Handicap changes:   Bruce G drops to 5,  Colin and Andrew are assigned 16 which will be reviewed after they have 5 current scores with us.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Andrew 16 assigned
Brian J 21.8 24
Bruce G 4.3 5  down 1
Darryl 17.1 18
Egbert 24.6 27
Graham T 20.8 22
5Points 26
Jockey John 20.3 22
Leo 16.2 17
Les 31.5 34
Marc 32.7 22
Steve 32.5 35
Peter R 11.5 12
Bruce K 30.4 31 plays 29
Friends
Colin 16 assigned
Will 12.6 14

Santiburi Members and Friends:

  • Every Thursday, Saturday and Monday. Be at the course by 8.15am

Chiang Rai Golfers

  • Waterford, Tuesday August 1, 8.30am (tomorrow)

Results — Mon July 3rd — updated handicaps — Santiburi July rates

An overcast sky and a light breeze made it a great day for golf.  The fairways are healing nicely and the greens are good.    For the month of July the green fee at Santiburi is 1000 baht + 300 baht caddie fee every day including weekends.

There were 6 Santiburi Members and 2 Friends (Jim and his friend, Robert) for another white tee competition.   For the first time a closest to the pin competition had to be split.  We had to pull out the measuring tape and found that both 5Points and BruceG were 239 inches from hole #7.   As usual BruceG was dominant on the par 3’s winning the 12th and 17th as well.   Leo had won the 3rd.  5Points won the stableford and the most money with 42 points (gross 92).  It was his best round since March when he had a 90 also in a white tee competition.  Much to Jim’s surprise it wasn’t another “donation day” and he will be leaving town in a few days with 190 baht of our money.

Santiburi Members and Friends play every Monday, Thursday and Saturday.  Please be at the golf course by 8:15 AM.

Chiang Rai Golfers are at Waterford tomorrow and Thursday at Happy City.  Both days 8:30 AM.

Today’s scores:

stb score Players hcap Skins Money
39 75 Bruce G 6 3.5 30
31 97 Graham 20 0.5 -210
42 92 5Points 26 8.5 430
36 89 Leo 17 2.5 -50
32 107 Les 31 2 -90
28 112 Steve 32 0.5 -210
31 113 Jim 36 5.5 190
27 113 Robert 32 2 -90

Handicap changes:   BruceG down 1 to 6, Leo down 1 to 17, Graham up 1 to 22, Les up 1 to 34, Marc up 1 to 22, Steve up 1 to 35.

Name Handicap Index Blue Handicap
Members:
Brian J 21.8 24
Bruce G 5.6 6 down 1
Darryl 17.1 18
Egbert 24.6 27
Graham T 20.3 22 up 1
5Points 26
Jockey John 20.3 22
Leo 16.1 17 down 1
Les 31.2 34 up 1
Marc 20.1 22 up 1
Steve 32.4 35 up 1
Peter R 11.5 12
Bruce K 30.4 31 plays 29