4) Too Many Questions — One Possible Answer

The side bet —  You and I are going out for a game of golf.   The one with the lower stableford score will pay the one with the higher score 100 baht.   The fine print clause “If either one of us has a really poor round (fails to score 30 points) then the bet is cancelled.”

Some SMAF members have been making that side bet for a long period of time.  Suddenly the really poor round clause has been quietly dropped.   If both members are trying to win what is the problem — why drop the clause?   Was Andrew “dropping anchor” last week not the first time this happened?

If I hadn’t been playing with Andrew or if Andrew hadn’t been so foolish to boast that he was going to drop anchor then I would not have noticed and reported it.   It is my opinion that the clause was dropped because I made an issue of it.

Why were those that had been participating in the side bet strongly defending Andrew’s behaviour as acceptable?  Why has the group defended his misconduct with “we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had – and an informal poll of other SMAF members closely corresponds with our views on the matter.”?   If you have a bad golf day are you untitled to unsportsmanlike conduct?

I admit I did hijack this blog.   I was shouted down at the lunch table and it was the one resource I had to make my points.   I had fully intended to give the blog back to SMAF once my points had been addressed.   I offered to post anything they wanted completely unedited and once they were given back the blog they would be free to do whatever they wanted with it including delete my post(s).   When they came up with the “one bad golf day” excuse I took a stronger stance which was get Andrew to apologise or you don’t get the blog back.   They considered that coercion (which it was) and they started a new blog.   They told me I could do whatever I wanted with this one.

Why not force the member who certainly was guilty of misconduct (that’s a polite way of saying broke the rules) to apologise?   Mea Culpa.   It would have ended all of this.

The only possible answer for all the questions is perhaps one or two other members had been dropping anchor — would that not be a reason for the way they handled this?   Those that dropped anchor or knew of other incidents and didn’t report it wouldn’t have been in a position to criticize Andrew would they?  I now suspect that dropping anchor had been going on for a while.

Although I have no proof that this wasn’t a solitary incident it would certainly explain why other members went through extremely bad patches and their handicaps went up.  They weren’t deliberately manipulating their handicaps but their handicaps could have gone up due to anchor dropping.   I have always defended SMAF handicaps and the skins game as being fair.   I can no longer say with 100% certainty that they were indeed fair.  MY PROBLEM is that I now believe the integrity of the group has been compromised.

SMAF’s probable response to the above is here.

MY PROBLEM is that after doing the majority of the work for 3 years to promote and build SMAF I was shouted down in a most disrespectful way.  This is not how we sorted things out in the past.

MY PROBLEM is that even if dropping anchor were acceptable that members would resort to such measures to get out of paying a 100 baht bet.   I don’t accept poor sportsmanship.  A bet is a bet.

I resigned but have been told that I am welcome back if I chose to do so.  Their new blog (https://smaf310022724.wordpress.com/)  says “come join us for a fun, friendly round of golf”.   When I announced that I was permanently leaving one member shouted out “GOOD”.    MY PROBLEM is that I don’t call that “friendly” or “welcoming”.

My PROBLEM is that I have too many problems with the way that SMAF has evolved over the past 6 months.   I have no desire to go back any time soon.

It is very likely that I won’t have anything further to say on this subject and it is likely there will never be another post on this blog.   Comments are open so feel free to say whatever is on your mind.   Nothing will be deleted unless it contains foul language.

 

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2) Read the Rules

For those that aren’t aware the person known as “Anchor Dropper” in the previously postings is Andrew.   His actions are accurately described in Leo’s Resignation.

Anyone who has played golf long enough should know that golf has rules forbidding just about everything.   There has to be rules with regards to score manipulation.   On a quick look I found the USGA handicap manual says—

Two basic premises underlie the USGA Handicap Systemnamely that each player will try to make the best score at every hole in every round, regardless of where the round is played, and that the player will post every acceptable round for peer review. The player and the player’s Handicap Committee have joint responsibility for adhering to these premises.

 

4-1. Unfinished Holes and Conceded Strokes

A player who starts, but does not complete a hole or is conceded a stroke must record for handicap purposes the most likely score.

There is no limit to the number of unfinished holes a player may have in a round, provided that failure to finish is not for the purpose of handicap manipulation.

 

Andrew made it clear after the 10th hole that he was not going to get 30 or more points.   He clearly wasn’t trying to score points and he picked up twice before completing the hole where his “most likely score” was at least 1 and could be argued as 2.    He handed in his score with a 0 on both holes to end up with his target of 29.  This is clearly an infraction of the rules.

The Ad-hoc administration claim they are doing “damage control”.   Saying all kinds of nice things about me one moment and then kicking me in the balls the next.   They offer excuses for Andrew —  “the person who “dropped anchor” by avoiding getting 30 or over was well within his rights to do so.  It wasn’t Leo’s place to call foul when the player took an option that the rules of the side bet allowed. ”  After reading the rules above you can see that it is not true.

Another excuse — “we think it was one bad golf day for the SMAF participant that can be dismissed like the bad golf days we have all had.”    I was there.   He was not having a bad day.   He was having a not quite good enough to win day.   After the round it looked like a bad day due to his score manipulation.  Is the Ad-hoc administration suggesting that it is OK to cheat if you are having a bad day?

Their other form of damage control is to make me the villain.  They claim I am doing this just to take a shot at Andrew.   It is no secret that he and I have issues.   However, what he said after the 10th hole offended me.   It was extremely poor sportsmanship over a piddly sum of 100 baht.  I felt if I didn’t report the incident it could happen again.  I have insisted that if ANYONE else had done this I would have reported it just the same.  After the round I brought this up at the lunch table and was shouted down.   It wasn’t a very productive discussion so I used other resources that were available to me.

The best form of damage control is honesty, not excuses.   Admit there was an error of judgement and apologize.   Once Andrew has apologized to his playing partners and the other members I would have no choice but to shut up.

For reporting cheating at CRAPS I was penalized so severely that no one dared report cheating again.   I sincerely hope this is not the road that SMAF is taking.

In closing I would like to thank all those who have quietly supported me.  It is appreciated.

(Comments for this posting have been disable.   If you have something to say that will move this forward in a positive way email me and I will post it.)

1) Leo’s Resignation

I will start with what I witnessed.   A few members had a side bet of 100 baht on their game.   If anyone plays poorly and fails to get 30 points the bet is cancelled.   One member after wiping the 10th hole declared that he didn’t care anymore.   He wasn’t going to get 30 points so he wouldn’t have to pay 5Points.   On the 13th hole he hit a poor tee shot, followed by another poor shot into the bunker on the right at the dogleg.   That put him about 275 yards away from the green on a par 5 – he picked up his ball and walked off the hole after only 2 shots.   Walking to the 17th hole he announced that he couldn’t get more than 2 more points for the rest of the day.   If he didn’t get closest to the pin he would wipe the hole.   He hit the ball a bit long and to the left.   Hit a poor chip, followed by another chip onto the green, then instructed the caddie to pick up the ball while he was on the green about 15 feet from the pin in 3.   He didn’t get 29 points because he played poorly, he got 29 points because that is what he manipulated his score to be.

What was wrong with that?   He wasn’t playing within the spirit of the game and it was extremely poor sportsmanship.  I was told to shut up and not say anything because I wasn’t part of the side bet and it was no concern of mine.   Did I not have a responsibility to inform the others of what I witnessed?  If he gets away with it once do you not think he would do it again (and again)?   Changing what should be 32s, 33s and 34s into 29s will affect his handicap.  If allowed to continue then it is the concern of all members as they are playing with someone who has manipulated his handicap higher.

What kind of a LOSER goes to such effort to get out of paying someone 100 baht?

He is the only one to refer to our home golf course as a “goat track”.   He contributes very little.  How many times has he played at a different time on our golf days because he prefers to play with others and not with our group?   For 6 months he refused to play with another member (me) – the only one to do such a thing.   I thought all personal differences weren’t to be brought to the golf course.   He constantly criticises the organisers particularly the Fairness Specialist who is doing a great job.  None of this ever happened before he joined us last August.

Our blog says that all are welcome to play friendly, competitive golf.   I haven’t found it to be friendly this past 6 months.    I WAS always polite to him and would give him a cheerful “hello” whenever I saw him.   All I ever got from him was an ogre’s grunt.   Why should I have to shut up and accept his rudeness and disregard for fair play?   I have to tolerate his and his friend’s rudeness away from the golf course.   I come to play golf to get away from their bullshit – not to get more of it.

Recently I have been told (more than once) by the Organiser Of The Day that he has had enough of this.   Does he think I haven’t?   I have no desire to continue playing with SMAF.   I am willing to play with any friendly golfers on any day of the week preferably at 9:30 or later (at Santiburi).  Please feel free to contact me at any time if you are looking for a game.

Road Trip

We will be celebrating going into the 4th year of Santiburi Members and Friends by taking a road trip to play Mae Moh.   It takes about 3 hours to drive from Chiang Rai to Mae Moh/Lampang.

Members coming for sure:  Graham (+1), Leo, Brian (+1), 5Points (+1),  Paul and Young, Egbert, Peter R (+1).    Non-members coming for sure:  Jim (+1),  Jockey John (+1) — That’s a total of 10 golfers with 6 wives.   We will accept up to 12 golfers so if you decide at the last moment to play, please check to see if there is still room for you.

Mae Moh is rated as more difficult than Santiburi.  We will be playing the course from the white tees using our Santiburi blue tee handicaps.   Young will also have 1 stroke added to her (red) handicap.

Schedule:

Tuesday, Feb 6th — A few members will be taking their wives to Lampang and spending the night.

Wednesday, Feb 7th — Most members will be leaving Chiang Rai in the morning and meeting up with those that left Feb 6th at Mae Moh.  Tee times start at 1 PM.  Please see Leo when you arrive.   Most will be taking buggies on the course.   DO NOT PAY YOUR GREEN/CADDIE/CART FEES until you have checked in with Leo.   He will be collecting the money from you and paying for all at once.   After golf there is nothing planned at the golf course.   You may take a shower at the course or wait until you get back to your hotel.   The skins will be done at the group dinner at the Riverside Restaurant.   Our dinner reservation is for 7:30 PM.

Thursday, Feb 8th — We have tee times starting at 9 AM.   Lunch will be in the clubhouse,  the skins game will be finalized, and the competition winner will be announced.   After that, most will be returning to Chiang Rai.

Hotels:

4 or 5 golfers  (and their wives)  will be staying at the Wiengthong Hotel.   It is 1000 baht per day (superior room) including breakfast.   The deluxe room is apparently exactly the same — a little more money and on a higher floor.   It is a good place for the wives to hang out while we play golf.  You need to contact the hotel directly to get the 1000 baht rate.   Mention you are with the golf group.   054-225801

http://www.lampangwiengthong.co.th/index.htm

Leo recommends the Hop Inn (Lampang City Center).   This is a new hotel chain in Thailand.  Very clean, standard rooms, good wifi, no breakfast.  For a place to sleep and shower it is very adequate.  Price 650 baht per night.

http://www.hopinnhotel.com/hotel/lampang/

Of course, if you prefer somewhere else feel free to stay there.

Cost of golf:

Mae Moh green fee is 500 baht + 200 caddie.   Optional (but recommended) carts are 300 baht sharing.  (Total 1000 baht per day)

We will be playing our usual skins game both days.  Participation in the skins game is optional.

As always everyone is welcome to play with us.

If you are planning to join us please reply by email as soon as possible so we can get a handle on the numbers.   Also, let us know if you have transportation or if you require transportation.   If you are bringing your wife let us know that as well.   Email : basilpuppydog@hotmail.com

Dennis DiCesare – R.I.P.

Dennis

Photo from the Canada Cup Golf Tournament — July 14, 2017

Dennis was a long time resident of Chiang Rai.   In recent years he didn’t play much golf but those that got to play with him always had an enjoyable day.  A true gentleman that will be missed  by those that knew him.

Services for Dennis were held at Wat Chetuphon in Denha on Saturday, August 9.   The following photos were taken at the funeral.

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Santiburi 1 Year Membership for sale

Leo has sent in the following.

I am selling my Santiburi membership which expires on August 5, 2018 (about a year from now).  It has a current value of 55,000 baht.    This will be a blind auction.  You get one bid and whoever bids the most before 6 pm on Thursday gets it.   Any bids below 40,000 will not be considered.  If you are interested please send an email to my email address with your offer.   If there is anyone that doesn’t know my email address you can  click on the contact button at the bottom of this posting.

For those that aren’t aware — I have issues with my spine and will very likely be undergoing spinal surgery in the next couple weeks.  It is very likely that I won’t be playing golf again for at least 3 months, probably longer, possibly never.

I would like to thank those that have commented or sent me an email wishing me well.   I would like to say a special thanks to Santiburi member Dr. Egbert who sent me some helpful information.

For those that need some golf amusement I came across this.  It’s 4 years old but worth watching.

 

No golf today or Saturday

Due to the rain there was no golf today.    Most of the Santiburi members will be out of town on Saturday so it is likely no one will be there.   Assuming the weather is better we will be back to our normal schedule on Monday.

Santiburi Members and Friends meet on Monday, Thursday and Saturday.  Please be at the course by 8:15 AM.   Our friends are reminded that the green fee + caddie fee every day during the month of July is only 1300 baht.

Next Events

Next Events:

 Thursday, April 13:  Santiburi Members and Friends (SMAF) – be at the course by 8:15 AM

 Thursday, April 13:  Chiang Rai Golfers – At Waterford.  8 AM

Saturday, April 15:  SMAF – Be at the course by 8:15 AM

SPECIAL NOTE:  Santiburi is hosting the Singha Amateur event on Sunday April 30th.  SMAF has reserved 8 slots, and 6 slots are already spoken for (meaning there are two slots available).  This is an 18-hole shotgun event with prizes hosted by Santiburi golf club.  The entry fee is THB 3,500, which provides each participant with a Singha logo Golf Bag, Singha logo clothes/shoes duffel, and Singha logo umbrella, as well as green fee, caddy fee and cart fee included.  Just the merchandise alone is worth the price of admission!  IF YOU WANT TO PLAY AND YOU HAVE NOT YET SIGNED UP, please contact Basil Puppy Dog or 5Points ASAP.  (5Points has until 16 April to provide the names for the last two slots and pay for them, so if there are no takers the slots will be cancelled!!)

Golf next Monday (Apr 10th) — Santiburi under championship conditions

The following has been sent out to the Chiang Rai golf community.

Santiburi Members and Friends invite you to join us this Monday  (April 10th) for a round of golf under championship course conditions.   The greens are lightning fast — the rough is deep — the bunkers will be in perfect shape if it doesn’t rain on Sunday night.  Everyone is welcome to play, participation in our usual (250 baht) skins game is optional.   Green fee 1000 baht, caddie fee 300 baht,  carts are optional at 600 baht per person.

If interested please respond in the comments and let us know you are coming.   Please be at the golf course by 8:15 AM.

Change of plan for tomorrow (Thurs Mar 23)

5Points just got a call from Santiburi.   They have a seniors competition today and tomorrow.  Today they couldn’t get anyone out until 1 PM and suspect it will be the same tomorrow.

If you want to play tomorrow you have the following choices:

  1.  Go to Santiburi and take your chances that you can get out by 1 PM and that it won’t be slow.
  2.   5Points and Leo are teeing off at Waterford at 9 AM.  All are welcome to join.
  3.   Chiang Rai Golfers are at Happy City, 8:30 AM.

If one of the above options appeals to you then it might be advisable to leave a comment below and let others know where you will be playing.